Hansen - top tackler in SUPER LEAGUE last year

Tomkins - young player of the year at wigan and something like 3rd in super league

How is that not standing out

He doesn't get so much criticism at all. Where you getting that from?

There is difference of opinion with supporters as to whether he should be filling in at centre or we should have recruited a specialist.

Nobody is debating his place in the team. He is a backrower playing out of position sometimes. When in the backrow he excells. He excells to a far greater degree than your backrowers.

Which is why in response to the other poster whith the cr@ppy statistics. Hansen might well have been a high tackler last season. But you were doing a hell of a lot of defending for a start unlike championship sides. Plus Ablett played most of last year in the centres covering, like the good pro he is.

Tony Smith and Brian Mclennan disagree but what would they know about Super League.

ahhh here we go!! ablett is the latest to get stick from the pie's.

ask leeds fans who watch him week in week out about what we think about him. ablett is cracking and a great squad member! he's not slow, he can pass, he's tough and is very fit, but most of all he is an awesome defender.

whats happening here with ablett is what happend to jjb as few years back. other teams fans(including the usual suspects on here) said jjb wasnt nowt special and was only a winner from been in a good team. all i can say on ablett is watch this space, in a few more seasons and he will be up to jjb standered.

So you've given up on the hock and tomkins fight and now your argument is basically what im saying - Ablett is playing in a champion side, he looks good because of the players around him. If hansen, hock or tomkins played in that side they would look a hell of a lot better than him.

Where have I said that?

Dream on child. Ablett is playing in a championship winning side because he is good enough to do.

Tomkins and Hansen play for a team not championship material because that is their level. One day they too may be as good as Ablett who knows, but right now they are not.

My god !!

You actually believe this dont you

Its not a strange thing to believe you know.

Not all fans are as arrogant and one minded as Wigan fans and will have the same view as you. You had a good period years ago, remember it sure, but you are not the be all and end all of the game. Just like Leeds will come a cropper in the future you may well have your time again.


Right now Ablett is an integral part of a championship winning side. A side that is way ahead of its competition in the league it plays. That is good enough for me to rate this lad above the lesser oppossition players. And it was good enough reason for a twice championship winining coach and the current championship winning coach to rate him highly.

Please tell us who these good Leeds players are, as far as I'm told Senior, McGuire, Sinfield, JJB etc are average and the rest are kids.

So when Sinfield, Donald, Senior, Diskin, McGuire, Burrow etc played in non championship winning sides they must have been too! Great reasoning you've got there...or does it not apply to Leeds players?

again!! as i have said before the season started!!

its all big gun talk from the pie's. i see your all hard again due to a lucky win agains quins plus you stuck it to the worst bradford team in ten years!

ablett would walk into your team.

No he wouldn't.

Do keep up boy.

Where have I said your backrowers are poop?

I am not in to insulting the players. I have mearly pointed out the error of a couple of posters ways in believing that Ablett is not better than you have got.

ah thats right!! the all mighty wigan.

just as i thought.

you will eat your words on ablett.

i find it amusing how you pie's love to slag other teams players when your squad is jam full of question marks.

its a case of people in glass houses for me

None of your team have a World cup winner's medal or played in a world cup winning team. Therefore Tommy Leuleui is better than anyone in your team. Great reasoning!

Grow up.

Did DISA suggest that he had more talent in his left testicle than one of your players? very selective insulting there Phuzzy.

he only has a word cup medal because they moved him out of half back. when the play went through him they were bobins

No-one on here is saying anything of the sort. Back row is one area we are strong and we currently have 3 full internationals, and ex-kangaroo and last year's contender for young player of the year vying for positions. Just remind me how Ablett stacks up against this, and I'm not talking about your opinion here. Just because he plays for a team that is currently doing better than ours doesn't automatically make him a better player than the ones we have. Nowhere will you find any criticism of our back row on this board. The problems lie elsewhere. I would take all our backrowers over Ablett currently. Maybe that will change in future years as you say, but not right now.

What has that got to do with anything? Does he or does he not have a World Cup winners medal?

worst come back ever

It's a total irrelevence. By his reasoning, he has a winners medal, therefore he is better. You can't have it both ways. Either the argument holds for all players, not just Leeds players, or it doesn't. Which is it?

I don't remember saying that. I must have a memory block.

your right!! nothing at all!! is was a little snipe at tommy's lack of ideas as international half back

no that was us against manly in the WCC

But you admit that by your reckoning tommy is better than anyone in your side?