That is a lot of games but considering a lot of them were made when he was maybe 19/20 years old it isn't a fair indication imo.

For me he hasn't had a continuous run in the team. He's been in one week playing well then dropped or off form the week after. Did he not have a stormer against Quins at home last season then he hardly played again.

Considering his age it could be argued he’s outplayed more senior players such as King, Yeamen, Senior and Hape.

One year loan at a half decent SL club like Wakey, Hull KR or Quins would do him a world of good IMO. A struggling Salford side would do more harm than good imo.

It’s catch 21 as imo he’s 2 good to let go but he’s not gonna get the game time he needs just yet at Wigan.

Id keep hold of him before Phelps, a season long loan at Salford etc were he would be playing every week could do him the world of good.

I would send him on loan to maybe Bradford, Quins or maybe Huddersfield or maybe a top NL1 side give him some experience of first team games he is wasted in the reserves

Agreed.

Goulding needs SL experience but not at the cost of Wigan. Loan him out. See how he gets on playing first team rugby week in week out..

Goulding-on loan
Mathers, Coley, Phelps- sell.
Bailey, reduced contract or sell.
Smith.. I need help with this fella! Don't know what's best.

He isn't good enough. Asking to leave is the cowards way out.

He needs to go on loan and play week in week out and see if he can become a decent centre. Joel Tomkins should be his rolemodel.

He has had more than enough chances to "make it" as Rogues said, 55 games is a decent number, but he still refuses to pass and hasn't got the quality to finish off chances.

Smith is Good cover he is a very good 7 but not 6 which is where we are playing him i would personally keep him until the end of the season and play him in at 7 with sam at 6 and tommy as cover for 9.

And send Micky Mc on loan to Bradford for a few weeks as cover for Godwin would do him a world of good and he would come back as a much better player

How would McIlloram learn more as interchange hooker at Bradford than at Wigan?

He would be learning off Newton and Tez could teach him a lot about the game.

So far he has been learning off Higham and Riddel and Riddel has his work cut out getting himself up to speed i think a spell under Tez would do him a world of good

Sending him to Bradford weakens our team for 1 and as for learning off Newton he knows enough fighting skills already. Riddells decision making and reading of the game is outstanding and learning this off Piggy will make him a miles better player.

Don't send him to bradford! Played well against Bradford, if anything he needs time to settle into the Wigan team as the interchange hooker.

Basically you've just binned off a young lad who's playing well for an Aussie (Tim Smith) who's been poor.

I don't see the sense in that.

Smith + £££ to Bradford and we'll take Lynch or Burgess then? Bradford are dying on their feet so we might as well get in there and strike whilst we can.

Imagine Burgess, Hock & Feka in our team!!

Can't see Bradford going for that one somehow.

Goulding should not be allowed to leave the club except on a loan basis.
If he does go we implement the 28 day rule whereby we can recall him after that period. Also that he doesn't play against us!
I don't care how many games he's played the lad is only just 21.
We need to keep all the quality youngsters we can keep.
Asking to leave Wigan is bad advice or petulance, either way is the wrong way to leave!

Goulding was one of the best young centres in the game before he played first team, what happened is anyone's guess. He is still a highly talented player and it would be wrong to let him go permanently. A loan stint could do him the world of good, look at Prescott, O'Carroll and Joel Tomkins after thier loan stints.

Given that we have Phelps and Pryce, plus Nobby wanting to sign a centre, there is little on the horizon IMO for Goulding. FWIW though I've been critical of him in the past I'm not readyto give up just yet. Loan him out I say.

I think so yes. He's a young lad from Wigan's academy I'd rather keep him and play him in reserves or send him out on loan than replace him with another overpaid Aussie who doesn't give a damn about the team or it's reputation.

I would be surprised if anyone other than scott moore came back though, once they leave they rarely come back

I dont know why but I cant see Goulding ever having a regular place at Wigan unless his form improves and he starts to knuckle and fight for his place and work on his defence.

On current form at the moment Bailey offers more than Goulding in defence and attack and even after that Noble would rather have Pryce and Phelps play in the centre IMO.

I think Goulding offers more than Bailey in attack. Goulding can at least make a break with a bit of pace. But Bailey is a lot more stronger in defence.

It would be harsh to see him leave and I don't think there is much truth in the rumour personally. I think a loan spell will do him good. A bit like Saints are doing with Ste Tyrer.

As stated 55 games is more than enough chances. He has done nothing whatsoever in his few games this year to warrant a place in the team. He has had his chance and not taken it nor has he shown any notable improvement.

I think your right there. He's had time and not shown enough for me to suggest he is ever going to deserve a first team starting place. I don't see what he offers to be honest. Not particularly fast, not big/strong, not got a good step/change of direction, can't pass, defence is pretty poor IMO

I think Bailey offers more mainly with his defence and he hasn't put a foot wrong in the last 2 games at centre IMO. Wouldn't be suprised to see Pryce given his chance in the centres once he has proved his fitness in the reserves.

If that doesn't work out I can see us signing a centre at the end of the season. Phelps and Bailey will most likely go, sounds like Goulding wants to go (no great loss IMO) we should also have a good chunk of the cap remaining. Hopefully Pryce comes good though

I'd loan him out for the rest of this year abit like Saints have done with Scott Moore and see how he gets on.

At the end of the year if theres a place in the team/squad for him then bring him back in. If not loan him out again for the season until we can find him a place or release him if he still doesn't look upto the job.

I'm sure there would be no shortage of takers for him in superleague.

I cant think of a club that would want him.

Bailey is playing very well at the minute and certainly doesn't deserve to be dropped. Pryce is definately further down the pecking order than Goulding IMO, if Noble were to choose between Phelps and Goulding, it'd be a toss up heads or tails.

They both offer about the same ie. not very much.

Where have you got this from?? It's bull sh*te lol