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| i dont think he should be allowed in super league if the NRL wont let him play then neither should we super league is turning into an 18-30 holidays for aussies who have no respect for the game and care about the money and the fame
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| Quote ="Cruncher"This question has been raised before and there's no definitive answer as yet. Feka has a child over here, so in a sane world that would go in his favour. But the incredibly picky attitude adopted by the visa people at this moment suggests that any outcome is possible.
To me, this entire business beggars belief. Sportsmen with minor convictions can't get visas to work over here for a relatively brief time, yet our inner cities seem to be overrun with pimps and gangsters from Eastern Europe, who are all living here permanently and cheerfully setting up major league criminal networks.
I'm sure it's not quite as simple as that, but from the POV of the ordinary man in the street it's completely unexplainable.'" When you look at the bigger issue i think its more about meting government stats on immigration than tackling the illegal issues of society , So back on topic ,going for higher profile people sports men /musicians and the like puts a bigger spin on things .
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| Yes. It creates an unfair playing field for Catalan (who i accept are only doing what is allowed) but the RFL should have set a ruling to work alongside the government.
Its a dangerous precedent.
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| Quote ="AJ"Yes. It creates an unfair playing field for Catalan (who i accept are only doing what is allowed) but the RFL should have set a ruling to work alongside the government.
Its a dangerous precedent.'"
Do you think this means that all those Aussies - no matter whether they're good or average - who've fallen foul of the NRL for whatever reason, will now go automatically to Catalan?
If so, could be a good thing. Might concentrate the rest of SL's minds on recruiting the sort of players they should have been trying to recruit all along.
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| Quote ="captain hotknives"I new he had signed but but did no know the details of the visa and that he would be allowed in the country under those terms. Do you think we may have issues with feka when is visa expires as it seems saints are now having problems with Meli.'"
I thought Meli's problem was more to do with him being dozy and not putting his application in time and is just waiting on clearence. Could be wrong on that but i am sure i have read it somewhere
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Do you think this means that all those Aussies - no matter whether they're good or average - who've fallen foul of the NRL for whatever reason, will now go automatically to Catalan?
If so, could be a good thing. Might concentrate the rest of SL's minds on recruiting the sort of players they should have been trying to recruit all along.'"
Possibly a good thing for the rest of SL, not necesarily for Catalans. The whole idea of bringing a French team into SL was to develop the French game - that doesn't mean no Aussie imports - but they must concentrate firstly on the young French talent which IMO comes in abundance, before they even consider Australian imports.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Do you think this means that all those Aussies - no matter whether they're good or average - who've fallen foul of the NRL for whatever reason, will now go automatically to Catalan?
If so, could be a good thing. Might concentrate the rest of SL's minds on recruiting the sort of players they should have been trying to recruit all along.'"
No, I don't think it means all will. But it certainly gives Catalan an advantage in terms of recruiting the real quality - like Bird.
I agree that it could help the rest of SL get their act together, and without delving too deeply into the politics of it all, the RFL have dug themselves into a corner on this one.
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| lets be honest, whats the guy done, hes awaiting trial, if convicted the rfl should withdraw his registration from the league, but until then should anybody be stopped plying there trade over what at this moment in time is an allegation.
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| Quote ="AJ"No, I don't think it means all will. But it certainly gives Catalan an advantage in terms of recruiting the real quality - like Bird.
I agree that it could help the rest of SL get their act together, and without delving too deeply into the politics of it all, the RFL have dug themselves into a corner on this one.'"
The RFL had no option but to accept his registration. He has the valid necessary paperwork to play for Catalans, they wouldnt have a leg to stand on if they refused to register him.
At the end of the day, if Catalans want to fill their quota spots with criminals and troublemakers just for the sake of it, let them do it - it wont do them any good in the long run.
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| Quote ="lothlorian"lets be honest, whats the guy done, hes awaiting trial, if convicted the rfl should withdraw his registration from the league, but until then should anybody be stopped plying there trade over what at this moment in time is an allegation.'"
If he does get convicted for assault and the RFL do as you say, surely that must mean Feka gets his registration withdrawn over his GBH conviction?
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| It would have been nice if Catalan had voluntarily refused to sign him in the interests of SL harmony but all clubs act purely out of self interest.
It's just one more joke in the comedy performance that is Superleague, I'm afraid.
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"It would have been nice if Catalan had voluntarily refused to sign him in the interests of SL harmony but all clubs act purely out of self interest.
It's just one more joke in the comedy performance that is Superleague, I'm afraid.'"
How different people's opinions would of been had he signed for Wigan
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"How different people's opinions would of been had he signed for Wigan
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| In a way this highlights one potential problem of having teams from mainland europe in the competition.
This could really end in a farce if one week he is allowed into the UK then a couple of weeks later he is not.
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"If he does get convicted for assault and the RFL do as you say, surely that must mean Feka gets his registration withdrawn over his GBH conviction?'"
and why not, as much as i rate feka the same rule would have to apply. however with things like this its never black and white and there are big grey areas. each case would have to be considered individually. if a guy beats someone to a pulp, and the force used is above and beyond reasonable, then he should absolutely be kicked out the league, but say a group of lads outnumber you and you break someones jaw with a punch, a pre emptive strike then absolutely not. the conviction and the circumstances leading it to it would have to be considered.
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BANISHED Cronulla star Greg Bird last night finally broke his silence about a controversial move to France by declaring: "I was over the constant harassment in Australia."
Bird, 25, yesterday modelled his new Catalans jumper in the southern French city of Perpignan and is set to debut for the club on Sunday morning (AEDT) against Castleford in Super League.
Angry at his critics yet excited at playing again, Bird opened up to The Daily Telegraph, saying from France: "I'm just relieved to be over here and back in a football environment and back around a team again. I just want to play footy again.
"I'm enjoying it over here away from the constant harassment. I was over the judgmental people (in Australia).
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BANISHED Cronulla star Greg Bird last night finally broke his silence about a controversial move to France by declaring: "I was over the constant harassment in Australia."
Bird, 25, yesterday modelled his new Catalans jumper in the southern French city of Perpignan and is set to debut for the club on Sunday morning (AEDT) against Castleford in Super League.
Angry at his critics yet excited at playing again, Bird opened up to The Daily Telegraph, saying from France: "I'm just relieved to be over here and back in a football environment and back around a team again. I just want to play footy again.
"I'm enjoying it over here away from the constant harassment. I was over the judgmental people (in Australia).
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| Quote ="Catalancs"you mean like some folk in the premier league want restrictions on the number of none british players but that would contravene eu law?
the rfl didnt stop bird playing it was the british government. he wasnt allowed a visa. the rfl sanctioned his move to bradford as they did with eastwood, crocker etc.
you might be a bit slow but at least your happy, laughter is the best medicine chuck
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I'm not slow I'm a student of English Language and I have A levels in Politics amongst other things, so when it comes to things like this I know what I'm talking about.
I think you'll find you did not prove your point nor did you disprove mine. You pointed out that these players were refused visas and not allowed to play by the government because they're not allowed to work here. That is not proving your point that the EU could make the RFL allow Bird to play is it?
And your point about the limit of non-British players that would contravene EU Law? You'll find that the quote in SL does also. This is known as a gentlemans agreement. They're not technically allowed to do it but the teams agreed to it for the good of the game and actually do it by choice.
So who's slow now? I think it's you...
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| I dont care if he stays in aus or comes over here, it doesnt affect me, but Im just glad to see some quality players coming over for once instead of average garbage from aus.
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| Yep - At the end of the day, it sends a message to the Aussies - If you commit a crime in Australia, get banned from the NRL, don't just expect to be allowed to play here. Simple as that.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"This question has been raised before and there's no definitive answer as yet. Feka has a child over here, so in a sane world that would go in his favour. But the incredibly picky attitude adopted by the visa people at this moment suggests that any outcome is possible.
To me, this entire business beggars belief. Sportsmen with minor convictions can't get visas to work over here for a relatively brief time, yet our inner cities seem to be overrun with pimps and gangsters from Eastern Europe, who are all living here permanently and cheerfully setting up major league criminal networks.
I'm sure it's not quite as simple as that, but from the POV of the ordinary man in the street it's completely unexplainable.'" Garry Green who had his visa refused had lived over here for 3 years had his kids here and has his own business so don't be so sure.
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| Quote ="the inquisitor"Garry Green who had his visa refused had lived over here for 3 years had his kids here and has his own business so don't be so sure.'"
Feka's child is English-born I think.
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Feka's child is English-born I think.'" Wouldn't make a difference.
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| The French & British authorities have different rules for granting visas, the French being less strict.
Wigan have certainly benefited from this.
Michael Dobson was granted a working visa to play in France but would not have been granted a British one as he hadn't played enough first team games in the NRL.
However, because he had been granted a visa to work in an EU country, and did work for Catalans, he was entitled to work in any EU country.
So he played for Wigan with a visa he would never have gained from the British authorities.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"The French & British authorities have different rules for granting visas, the French being less strict.
Wigan have certainly benefited from this.
Michael Dobson was granted a working visa to play in France but would not have been granted a British one as he hadn't played enough first team games in the NRL.
However, because he had been granted a visa to work in an EU country, and did work for Catalans, he was entitled to work in any EU country.
So he played for Wigan with a visa he would never have gained from the British authorities.'"
Just because the French grant an Aussie a visa to work there does not mean an Aussie can automatically work here! Where have you got that idea from? We do have restrictions on foreign nationals working here that can not be got around by spending six months grape picking in France or by playing a few games of RL. They amount to the same thing and clearly neither is how it is.
For an Ausssie to play here they need two things. They need to be eligible to play here by RFL rules and they need to be granted a working visa by the UK government not the French or any other EU governemt.
If they are not eligible to play here by RFL rules they won't get a visa.
To be eligible to play here the RFL have rules that say a player must have played a certain number of 1st grade games in recent history. Bird qualifies on that score but if I recall correctly Dobson did not.
However in Dobson's case he then played 1st grade games for Les Cats and so racked up 1st grade appearances.
What you can conclude is the French RL authorities do not have the same requirements on imported players to have played 1st grade as the RFL do (hence Dobson got a job with Les Cats) and once a player has played enough 1st grade games (as Dobson did with Les Cats) then our RFL will say he is eligible to play regardless of where he played those games. It is stupid given Dobson played his games in SL but that ia the way it seems to be.
Anyway regardless of all that what Dobsons convoluted route to Wigan has to do with Bird I don't know because the reason Bird was refused a visa was nothing to do with his qualifications as an RL player.
The fact the French have let him in and our government did not poses an interesting question as what happens when he turns up on our shores. The fact he has got job with Les Cat's should have nothing to do with it.
He should IMO be refused entry otherwise Bradford should be up in arms.
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FORMER NRL star Greg Bird was "the victim" when he allegedly assaulted a young woman in a Cronulla nightclub, Sutherland Local Court heard yesterday.
The 25-year-old, who on Thursday flew in from France where he is playing for the Catalans rugby league team, had his one common assault charge upgraded to five charges but believes the evidence of three security guards and security video will clear him.
"Three security officers are able not only to give evidence, but to give evidence to the effect that he was the victim in this matter," his solicitor Patrick Conaghan told the court.
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FORMER NRL star Greg Bird was "the victim" when he allegedly assaulted a young woman in a Cronulla nightclub, Sutherland Local Court heard yesterday.
The 25-year-old, who on Thursday flew in from France where he is playing for the Catalans rugby league team, had his one common assault charge upgraded to five charges but believes the evidence of three security guards and security video will clear him.
"Three security officers are able not only to give evidence, but to give evidence to the effect that he was the victim in this matter," his solicitor Patrick Conaghan told the court.
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