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| Quote ="[Gareth"icon_lol.gif'"
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| Was slightly worried that a game in the centres without match practice could give everyone scapegoat fuel for Gelling, so to see him do so well was just a bonus. All he needs now is a long run in the centres, and let Thornley do the utility threequarter role. Hopefully if those 3 and the wingers are fit at the same time we can give Goulding some rest. He's very important to our attack imo (even more to our defence), but he looks like he needs some time off to get his body properly back to full health.
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| For me it was his best game yet, good to see him in the centre spot.
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| Quote ="21-12"I have never blamed him for a loss. I judged him on performance in a wigan shirt. He had a good game last night, however I'm not getting too excited. Concentrate on your own opinion instead if making false allegations and making yourself look a childish tool.'"
I told you, about 10 pages back, to judge him on his games in his preferred position. His best game in a Wigan shirt, in his natural position. I'm glad you can admit he played well though. How many good games will he have to have before you accept he is a good player?
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| Been quite impressed with him at centre. Lets hope he continues to prove me wrong.
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| I think many were waiting to see him in that position on a regular basis before bagging him. He is a big strong quick lad and seems to be settling after being played out of position, and injury.
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| Quote ="21-12"Been quite impressed with him at centre. Lets hope he continues to prove me wrong.'"
Glad to see you keeping an open mind on Gelling.
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| Quote ="Jeff the God of Biscuits"Glad to see you keeping an open mind on Gelling.
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Im quite an open minded person!!
As I said, I judged based on performance up to the time I posted, which, were being played on the wing. Since then, he's been impressive in the centres, I thought he struggled a bit last week, but at Warrington and last night, I thought he looked very classy with ball in hand. The thing thats letting him down at the minute is the fact he's got Richards outside him who doesn't seem to be contributing anything attacking wise, and when he's given good ball off Gelling he doesn't seem to have the confidence anymore to go for the corner.
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| He played well again last night but still has a few too many errors in his game. He is a very strong runner and causes his opposite number lots of problems.
Ian Thornley frustrates me. He is a big lad but in many ways is like Karl Pryce in that he doesn't seem to have natural aggression. His defence and decision making last night was poor. In the first half Charnley should have had a walk in from Hampshires flick to Thornley, all he had to do was give a simple pass.
On present form I think it will be Goulding and Gelling as centres.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"He played well again last night but still has a few too many errors in his game. He is a very strong runner and causes his opposite number lots of problems.
Ian Thornley frustrates me. He is a big lad but in many ways is like Karl Pryce in that he doesn't seem to have natural aggression. His defence and decision making last night was poor. In the first half Charnley should have had a walk in from Hampshires flick to Thornley, all he had to do was give a simple pass.
On present form I think it will be Goulding and Gelling as centres.'"
Agreed, as we discussed at Half time last night, Thornley is letting himself down at the moment, his final ball is poor and he doesn't use his size to his advantage nowhere near enough. He doesn't get in the best 17 at the moment. Shame really as he started the season so well.
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| Quote ="21-12"Agreed, as we discussed at Half time last night, Thornley is letting himself down at the moment, his final ball is poor and he doesn't use his size to his advantage nowhere near enough. He doesn't get in the best 17 at the moment. Shame really as he started the season so well.'"
agree. i was fuming when he refused to pass at the end of the first half. i actually think that he could be a decent winger. he's big, good in the air, fast enough and has reasonable defence for a wing (not good enough for centre, but thats a different question). he's certainly a more natural winger than gelling.
a spell at wing might get his confidence levels back, and allow him to get minutes under his belt. he could always try centre again later, but i would not be overly disappointed if he had a run on the flank, if was decided that Manfredi and Burgress arent quite ready.
gelling was solid and offers good go forward, however hampshire showed both centres up for their poor hands/creativity. Neither gelling or thornley have the innate handling ability that a genuine centre has (goulding certainly has). They are both fantastic physical specimens, but is that enough now ? Gelling in particular has an excellent work ethic and is an excellent squad player. But it is only because of the constraints of the cap, and overall poor standard of SL that Hughes, Gelling and Thornley are deemed to be adequate filler-ins at 3 and 4.
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| Quote ="ShortArse"agree. i was fuming when he refused to pass at the end of the first half. i actually think that he could be a decent winger. he's big, good in the air, fast enough and has reasonable defence for a wing (not good enough for centre, but thats a different question). he's certainly a more natural winger than gelling.
a spell at wing might get his confidence levels back, and allow him to get minutes under his belt. he could always try centre again later, but i would not be overly disappointed if he had a run on the flank, if was decided that Manfredi and Burgress arent quite ready.
gelling was solid and offers good go forward, however hampshire showed both centres up for their poor hands/creativity. Neither gelling or thornley have the innate handling ability that a genuine centre has (goulding certainly has). They are both fantastic physical specimens, but is that enough now ? Gelling in particular has an excellent work ethic and is an excellent squad player. But it is only because of the constraints of the cap, and overall poor standard of SL that Hughes, Gelling and Thornley are deemed to be adequate filler-ins at 3 and 4.'"
Bear in mind goulding had 6 sl seasons before having a good run at centre. Hopefully gelling wont need that time to improve his passing.
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| Quote ="the wrestler"Bear in mind goulding had 6 sl seasons before having a good run at centre. Hopefully gelling wont need that time to improve his passing.'"
Agreed, which is why I suggest that Thornley may benefit from a spell on the wing, which helped DG so much.
Not too sure where you would put AG though to gain experience ? Hes not as good a wing as IT and we also have Manfredi and Burgess 'in the wings' so to speak.
Centre appears to be his best spot, its just that its such a pivotal position that its hard to 'learn on the job' at SL level. I genuinely hope he thrives and develops quickly, its just awkward because of the new rules which make it difficult for older players to gain experience.
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| Quote ="the wrestler"Bear in mind goulding had 6 sl seasons before having a good run at centre. Hopefully gelling wont need that time to improve his passing.'"
Eh? He was our starting centre 5 years ago he just lost the spot
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Eh? He was our starting centre 5 years ago he just lost the spot'"
from what i recall he started at centre then had spells on the flanks. he always had flair, but was just too greedy when he first played in the middle, so could never really hold down a spot. moving him to the wing allowed him to mature as a RL player so that when he got his chance at centre again, he was more able to take it.
the point i think, is that he was given time to mature, which Gelling also needs.
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| Gelling looks better everytime he plays.
Thornley was played for too many games. At one point he was our only ever present player and was then looking a bit jaded. He only played three SL games prior to this season.
He messed up in the first half when he should have passed to Charnley. Bradford last night, and other opposition teams, see Charnley as their biggest threat. That's why his centre is being tackled by three men every time he gets the ball.
Last night it was Thornley's turn.
Talking to a Leeds fan who went last night and he thought Thornley looked good.
A real positive that we've got three good centres.
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| Anybody know what's up with Goulding ? Seems like he plays one then misses three !
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| I took someone who had never been to a game before tonight and he thought Gelling must be a KR pkayer due to the amount of stick he got off Wigan 'supporters'. He took the match winning try well. Keep it up Gells!
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| Hit and miss tonight from the big lad. Couple of knock ons and a couple of times he could have put Burgess away down the wing. Solid enough in defence and shows he is class at taking on the line. Maybe a 5/10 this week, can do better, but not a shocker by any means!
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| He needs to change how he carries the ball, far too often he loses the ball in the tackle.
Other than that he's got a lot of potential, we just need a strong partnership on that wing.
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| He scored a good try, but please keep him away from Wembley !
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| lets keep making excuses for him
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| Hopefully he will be trained for a second row berth as Hughes should be, neither are a capable centre, and both lack positional sense and handling skills required for that position, and show no sign of learning from their previous failings.
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| Yes he scored a try but he was absolutely shocking, with the ball and without.
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| Quote ="apollosghost"Anybody know what's up with Goulding ? Seems like he plays one then misses three !'"
Has some kind of heart defect that needs monitoring
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