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| Quote ="shambawangy"IF we are going to stick to a top 8, this would be a far better playoff system:
Week 1:
winner to final, loser to week two:
1v2
Lowest placed loser eliminated, winner to week two:
3v8
4v7
5v6
Week 2:
Highest placed loser vs lowest placed winner
Highest placed winner vs remaining team
Week 3:
Remaining two teams from week two
Week 4:
Final'"
it's not though, winner gets 3 weeks off then, hardly ideal
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| Quote ="Bill Sonny"it's not though, winner gets 3 weeks off then, hardly ideal'"
Do you have a better system? given that the RFL won't shift from a 'top 8'
it would be two weeks off btw
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| Quote ="shambawangy"Do you have a better system? given that the RFL won't shift from a 'top 8'
it would be two weeks off btw'"
It's 2 weekends off which is almost 3 weeks.
P.S. I don't have the answer. In fact my alternative gave the league winners the same length of time off.
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| Quote ="shambawangy"Do you have a better system? given that the RFL won't shift from a 'top 8'
it would be two weeks off btw'"
If it has to be a 'top 8 system' then i'd have the following
1th vs 8th
4th vs 5th
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2th vs 7th
3th vs 6th
Winners play each other in both sides of the draw, very simple imo
Works in the majority of every other sport in the world without complaints, you lose against the 8th placed team then you don't deserve another shot/to reach the next round! Knockout competition in all games
And yeah you win on the Friday of week one, it's 3 weeks later until you play the grand final, so I wouldn't be in favour of it.
My perfect thing would be a Top 3 playoff system, winner through to grand final, 2 vs 3 to qualify, not the biggest money spinner for Sky I guess but then the regular season becomes meaningful!
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| Quote ="Pemps"It's 2 weekends off which is almost 3 weeks.
P.S. I don't have the answer. In fact my alternative gave the league winners the same length of time off.'"
Why not make winners of week 1 (Leeds & Hull in this instance) and losers of week 1 (Wire & Cats) play midweek?
Gives Top 2 the advantage of a home game with the winners of those games then getting the "Standard" rest period of a week.
5/6/7/8 would be severley disadvantaged as even if they win week 1 they then have to go to losers fo week 1 i.e Wire/Cats in this instance and even if they win that they have to play 3 days later against the "Fresh" teams away from home.
Would that provide enough incentive to finish Top 4 & even more so Top 2?
Brings intensity to the league games as finishing 5th or lower has a serious affect on your play off chances.
Brings intensity into Week 1 for the Top 4 as losing that game would have a serious affect on your play off chances i.e playing 3 games in a week before playin the final the week after.
My preference would be for the old Top 5/6.
PS
None of the above is in anyway a dig at Leeds as I believe they have done remarkably well to win it from 5 twice and IMO played the cards as they were dealt at the begining of the season.
IMO if the system was different there's nothing to say that they wouldnt have played those cards equally as well and won it again (Inc if it was a straight Top=Champions argument) irrespective of the system used to determine it.
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| Quote ="ryano"Well done! Enjoy the Tea Tray. However, you are missing his/her point. They are saying in a first past the post competition Tony Smith wouldn't rotate his teams as he did and would have comfortably finished 1st. I agree with him/her. But it isn't a FPTP competition as we all know and teams and coaches ,including Smudger, are aware of that.'"
It is you who is missing the point as far as I’m concerned! I’m not saying that Wigan should be champions this past season they are not, Leeds are by way of how the SL is played now. All I’m trying to say is the playoff structure is killing the weekly rounds making them virtually redundant for most games. If it were run like football FPTP, I like you have no idea who would have been champions, I DON’T BLOODY CARE! All I want is to get back to every team wanting to win every game no matter what part of the season it’s played in. Keep the playoffs, just change the structure and stop calling the winners champions, and bring back P&R in some form. ALL I WANT IS ALL OF THE WEEKLY ROUNDS TO MEAN SOMETHING AGAIN! But it seems for some people it’s asking far too much.
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| Top 8 and rewarding the team one game to the final, minimum you have to give the top team is a week off, that week off though could be what kills you.
So it's either straight knockout from the off or try to finish 3rd and not have a week off.
Straight knockout is simple
1v8
2v7
3v6
4v5
then the highest seed always plays the lowest seed for the next round, the advantage being you always get a home game and it's always against lowest ranked.
Forget two bites of the cherry.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Top 8 and rewarding the team one game to the final, minimum you have to give the top team is a week off, that week off though could be what kills you.
So it's either straight knockout from the off or try to finish 3rd and not have a week off.
Straight knockout is simple
1v8
2v7
3v6
4v5
then the highest seed always plays the lowest seed for the next round, the advantage being you always get a home game and it's always against lowest ranked.
Forget two bites of the cherry.'"
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Top 8 and rewarding the team one game to the final, minimum you have to give the top team is a week off, that week off though could be what kills you.
So it's either straight knockout from the off or try to finish 3rd and not have a week off.
Straight knockout is simple
1v8
2v7
3v6
4v5
then the highest seed always plays the lowest seed for the next round, the advantage being you always get a home game and it's always against lowest ranked.
Forget two bites of the cherry.'"
You should apply for a job at Red Hall
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Top 8 and rewarding the team one game to the final, minimum you have to give the top team is a week off, that week off though could be what kills you.
So it's either straight knockout from the off or try to finish 3rd and not have a week off.
Straight knockout is simple
1v8
2v7
3v6
4v5
then the highest seed always plays the lowest seed for the next round, the advantage being you always get a home game and it's always against lowest ranked.
Forget two bites of the cherry.'"
So based on this year (in theory)?
Rd. 1
Wigan v Wakefield
Warrington v Huddersfield
Saints v Hull
Catalan v Leeds
Semi
Wigan v Catalan
Warrington v Saints
Final
Wigan v Warrington
Makes sense I suppose. I would like to see the league winners get a week off at some point though. It would give the teams something to play for in the season.
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| Quote ="pies-r-us"It is you who is missing the point as far as I’m concerned! I’m not saying that Wigan should be champions this past season they are not, Leeds are by way of how the SL is played now. All I’m trying to say is the playoff structure is killing the weekly rounds making them virtually redundant for most games. If it were run like football FPTP, I like you have no idea who would have been champions, I DON’T BLOODY CARE! All I want is to get back to every team wanting to win every game no matter what part of the season it’s played in. Keep the playoffs, just change the structure and stop calling the winners champions, and bring back P&R in some form. ALL I WANT IS ALL OF THE WEEKLY ROUNDS TO MEAN SOMETHING AGAIN! But it seems for some people it’s asking far too much.'"
You are right. The only way to make the whole season mean something is to make the prize for coming top of the league meaningful in cash terms. bring back promotion and relegation and make the play offs top 5 or 6 with only the top side getting the advantage of a week off. Get rid of the stupid club call too.
Just think, this season we would have had Wigan and Wire slogging it out all season and the intensity in the bottom three would have been incredible.
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| Quote ="wireflyer33"-talk about missing the point!and to think,you actually *believe* your world champs of rl as well as *worthy* champions of sl
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Ok numpty I will bite.
Who are the World Champions of RL?
Is it because those nasty boozed up scum as you put it from Yorkshire?
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| Quote ="Pemps"So based on this year (in theory)?
Rd. 1
Wigan v Wakefield
Warrington v Huddersfield
Saints v Hull
Catalan v Leeds
Semi
Wigan v Catalan
Warrington v Saints
Final
Wigan v Warrington
Makes sense I suppose. I would like to see the league winners get a week off at some point though. It would give the teams something to play for in the season.'"
FFS based on theory this year it should have been Warrington/Wigan in the final.
What would happen if say the 5th team i.e Leeds beat the 4th team Catalan?
They then draw Wigan away and by some chance beat them.
They Leeds end up in the GFand somehow win it.
Would that make it better?
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| Quote ="chapylad"Ok numpty I will bite.'"
You'll also be banned if you carry on with the insults.
Quote ="chapylad"Who are the World Champions of RL?'"
New Zealand.
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| Going for my hat trick now.
How about the top 3 playing off in a sort of Tri League
1st v 3rd
2nd v 3rd
1st v 2nd
3rd place has the hardest games all away from home.
1st place has 2 home games with a week off in between.
Champion is crowned as the team top of the league maybe add a bonus point win for so many tries scored like the RU do.
Downside is no showpiece final at OT
But the top team gets decent gate money with 2 top games.
Just a thought.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"You'll also be banned if you carry on with the insults.
New Zealand.'"
Good answer to the World Champions I will give you that even though you know what I meant.
So who are the World Club Champions?
I was responding to the wonderful Wireflyer who called all Leeds fans scum.
You ought to vet every poster on here mate before banning me, but point taken.
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| Quote ="chapylad"Good answer to the World Champions I will give you that even though you know what I meant.
So who are the World Club Champions?
I was responding to the wonderful Wireflyer who called all Leeds fans scum.
You ought to vet every poster on here mate before banning me, but point taken.'"
If Wireflyer had called you personally, scum, in reply to a post he'd be put on the naughty step as well. He didn't though.
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| Quote ="chapylad"FFS based on theory this year it should have been Warrington/Wigan in the final.
What would happen if say the 5th team i.e Leeds beat the 4th team Catalan?
They then draw Wigan away and by some chance beat them.
They Leeds end up in the GFand somehow win it.
Would that make it better?'"
Wind your neck in sunshine. It was hypothetical based on league positions.
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| I'll add, my system would mean 1v2 would only ever meet in a final.
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| Quote ="Bergen Bulldog"After Wigan's exit last week I must admit that my interest ended there and I really couldn't care less who wins it.
However, if I did have to pick one then I'd go for Warrington as they play the more attractive rugby plus they deserve it for the consistency over the past few seasons (3 cup wins from 4 years, a top 3 finish in the last 3 years).
Sooner they win it than have "champions" who have finished 5th in the table for the last 2 seasons.'"
Consistency - Rhinos 5 x winners of the Grand Final in 6 Years take the blinkers off you Wigan fans are unreal lol
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Forget two bites of the cherry.'"
I like your idea, however there would no doubt be uproar if say Leeds finished in 8th and smashed the top team, finishing their season in week one.
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| Quote ="shambawangy"I like your idea, however there would no doubt be uproar if say Leeds finished in 8th and smashed the top team, finishing their season in week one.'"
Then that would just be tough s__t though
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Then that would just be tough s__t though'"
And no better than the current system.
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| Quote ="Pemps"Wind your neck in sunshine. It was hypothetical based on league positions.'"
So was mine.
Whichever way you look at it in the play offs you are always likely to get a lower team beat a higher placed team in a one off game.
It happens week in and week out.
Hence my suggestion for a top 3 playoff league which benefits the top team.
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| Quote ="chapylad"So was mine.
Whichever way you look at it in the play offs you are always likely to get a lower team beat a higher placed team in a one off game.
It happens week in and week out.
Hence my suggestion for a top 3 playoff league which benefits the top team.'"
yeah i would prefer the 'tri league' than to what we have now. Only perhaps the top 2 in the Tri League play the GF?
Also would give meaning back the regular season, which is basically what we are looking for. Don't finish in the top 3 - you've no chance of being Champions.
People don't have a problem with Leeds being Champions - people have a problem with the team finishing 5th being Champions.
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