So by your logic Grimmy a player could potentially be the second or third best scrum half ever and not be world class?

He said or at least get into any 17 in the world.

Not second, you'd get a spot on the bench, but yes potentially third, but how likely is it that the three best ever scrum halves would all be at their peak at the same time? The term "world class" is banded about way too liberally IMO, we have some very good players at the moment, some of them are the best in their country in their position, but none of them would get in a world 17.

All fair enough imo.

Going off your way of judging world class i'd say England have 4(Graham, Peacock, Ellis and Burgess) which again is about right imo.

He did you're right, missed that bit



I think a lot of players are overlooked because of who they play for rather than how good they are. Some players are immensely talented but the rest of the team let them down. A player can only be creative if the rest of the players are able to read their creativity. I may get shot down in flames for this but I think for example if Brough played for Leeds or Saints he would have been selected for England on a regular basis. Due to strength across the board individual Aussie players have a far greater chance to shine but at the same time have far more competition for their places, swings and roundabouts I suppose.

Brough would have walked a place in the England side for last years four nations if he'd been at one of the big clubs.

He should be selected at 7 for the mid season French test imo.

Agree, I'm surprised he's not been snapped up by Warrington with their seemingly endless funds.

why would they want Brough when they have the world class Richie Myler and Galactic class Lee Briers?

my thoughts are that if we dont win we arnt as good as we think

Agree completely.

Going by that only Burgess and Graham deserve consideration amongst British players IMO.

no matter if we are as good as we think we are.... we have improved on last year IMO

Both on and off the field.

Firstly the business is improving as well as the clubs reputation which was in tatters under Maurice Lindsey.

We have seen big improvements in the marketing of the club and have finally got a club shop that is not an embarassment to the club - Warriors World really did reflect the state of the club prior to Ian Lennagans involvement - dated and unable to deliver what the supporters expect.

Now with a coach appointed by Ian Lennagan we are seeing results on the pitch and we are creating a winning culture, something which takes time.

I am confident we will beat Bradford.

I'm sure the players are but just because a team is confident they will beat another team doesn't mean they will get complacent, SW and MM won't let that happen.

On another note - Langley, Scruton world class? Please! Average superleague players. Langley should play prop IMO might be a decent prop if he did.

Sorry mr.Hooligan

I am pretty confident that he is talking about the behind the scene managment and administration as opposed to idiots knocking lumps out of people, so perhaps you should apologize for jumping to that conclusion?

You Moron

That was one idiot. For Scruton to get in a Rhinos gf winning side and be offered another contract by them shows he is above average, Look at Langley's stats and it shows he is among the best. Not World Class i'll admit but neither are any players at Wigan.

Before I was convinced you were just an idiot but now i'm convinced your just pulling our leg

Ricky Bibey won 2 challenge cup winners medals too blah blah blah

Ryan Bailey was in that team also and he is average, to dress Nick Scruton up as above average is laughable, he is an average player who tries to big hit young players.

In all the games I have seen Jamie Langley play he has never once passed the ball or won M.O.M.
Never be a loose forward as long as he has a hole in his harris, but, if he moved to prop I believe he would make a half decent prop if he ran it in a little harder.

There's something else driving this team, which I think is overlooked by a lot of people.....

We have 5 "club captains".

Let me explain:
Who (like me) thinks that there is MASSIVE rivalry between the 5 lads who share the arm-band?
None of them will want to be the first losing captain of the new-look Wigan team.

It also wouldn't surprise at all if there is some rather hefty forfeit payable for the team captain that's first to lose.
Whether that's financial or something altogether more embarassing, I don't know.

What I am absolutely positive of is that every one of those 5 players will be driving the rest of the team even harder with each passing match, to ensure that complacency is the very last thing on their minds.

Back to this particular match - I honestly can't see anything other than us steam-rollering them into submission and running out clear winners by 12-20 points

You obviously haven't watched Scrutes play too much then. that's really not his style.

You also can't have watched too many SKY games over the past 3 years as Langley has picked up the MoM award about 4 or 5 times.

Watch Scruton on Friday night, I have no problems if it's your opinion that he's not a good player, but he doesn't go for the big-hits on young kids, he relishes trying to get them in on the biggest players on the field.

Also, I don't think there's any possible way Langers could run the ball in harder than he has been doing so far this season.

i was chating to langley after the play off game at widnes afew seasons ago.the first thing that stood out was how big he his! i actually rate him as a player, but the impression i get from seeing him play was that he's never actually reached his potential, and imo you could get abit more from him than he sometimes gives.

I often thought that last season, but he played through it with a shoulder injury. From what i've seen so far this season he's going to have a big one because all we've seen is 100% effort from him.

I've been very impressed with Langley this season. After making a few ‘headlines’ when he broke onto the scene he had a few barren years but it looks like he’s finally gonna fulfil some of this potential.

I still don’t think he’s creative enough for 13 tho.

I’d still like us to sign him up next season and move him to prop as it think he’d really kick on there

I agree mate, Ive always liked Langley as a player but hes never a 13, hes never as good as Lockers which ive heard quite a few Bulls fans say, but I also think he would make a cracking prop if he bulked up abit more and ran the ball in with abit more force.

Bradford's 1-5 will be their downfall this season, if we can get on top up front, I expect us to take them apart outwide.