Firstly where did i criticize you for having a go at the way pro rugby has gone??

Yes i am happy with the last 2 years but would hope that this year we make at least 1 final and hopefully win.

Unlike some i support Wigan RLFC or whatever name they want to go under i do not and never will come on here or any public forum and say i hope we get beaten that to my mind is not only undermining the coach but the team as well. Thanks for you PM by the way it was very interesting.

The thing i did have a pop at you for was your original statementin this thread. And yes i did back Millward and his team as at the time they were running the club it took 6 years to run the club down to the point where B.N took over and its taken less than 3 to turn the corner and start our way back to the top.

You should back the club all the way or walk away and support another club. You Mentioned Man United in another post well just look at the way they started this season and look where they are now.

I'd be disappointed to see McIllorum leave, but one of either Riddell, LuLu, S.Tomkins, McIllorum would have to go. Its un-imaginable that Riddell, Tommy, Tonkins would leave, so that really does leave MM in the mire.

Spot on.

Where is the loyal support we had in 2006? When we didn't criticize anyone*? When we were 100% behind the team, the club?

We need to STOP criticizing, STOP being so "doom and gloom" and for a change get behind the team, get behind the players, get behind Noble (as hard as that is for some people).

I like many others on here, doesn't just support the team, I support the club. It's about time people on here followed suite.

I can accept there will be criticism, it's part and parcel of being a fan, but come on. I come on here everyday to see another 2/3 threads having yet another pop at the club. And we wonder why we're labelled fickle fans?



Jonh I can see your POV, your opinion I feel is wrong, but you are entitled to it. Maybe, if we lose to Cas and Quins, the whole point of this thread (noble out) will be more valid.


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If we continue to back people that are failing then we as a club will continue to fail. If we continues to back Millward then we would have had a spell in NL1, simply because they have the position is not a reason to support them to the hilt regardless of what is happening.

The performances have been poor for much of his time in charge. This year so far we have been beaten by a team that came 11th last year, missing 2 key players and there marquee signing from the NRL. We have been beaten by a club that could only field 17 full time players and who struggled last year.

Lets not pretend all is well and we are moving in the right direction as we are not.

I want the best for Wigan RLFC and if I think looking at the bigger picture a loss next week will be to the benefit of the club.

It's getting silly now. People will read all this doom and gloom and believe it. I've read Phil Bailey described as dead wood, people believe what they read.

There is so much parity in SL now that bad patches will occur for most clubs, reality is we've moved forwards under Noble leadership.

The issue is, has he taken us as far as he can under his style of play, maybe the game has changed since he won everything with Bradford. For me, he's still the man for the job and deserves at least until the end of the season.

That's the salary cap, we had bad patches last season but came within a whisker of making the grand final. We're getting better year on year, they didn't build Rome overnight.

I'd agree with that, the issue certainly is has he taken us as far as he can? Jury is still out on that one IMO, but I certainly expect him to be here until the end of the season.

As for his time at Bradford, Noble had the perfect squad for his tactics, big and mobile forwards pack. With big but quick centres/wingers and quick half-backs. His squad's physical attributes suited his tactics and gameplan perfectly.

Back the club or Walk Away do not undermine the club How can Cas beating us on Friday be best for the club it might be best for your own agenda but its not best for the club.

Supporters like you Wigan Warriors RLFC do not need if you are as good as you say apply to I.L. for Nobbys job and lets see how good you are.

Appreciate what you are saying but you are asking that fans give unquestioning support and blind loyalty irrespective or, in short, to be sheep.

I agree that when the chips are down you all need to get behind the club; however, we're not in that situation. This is about healthy debate about what we feel is the best overall for the club; Jon should no more apply for Nobby's job than those who give unquestioning support should go into a field and eat grass.

This comes down to two things:

Jon - Correct me is I'm wrong - believes Noble's taken the club as far as he can and it's time for a change. He's not the only one that believes this.

Andy - Correct me is I'm wrong - you appear to trust the club's management completely and will let what will be will be and we should trust them or find another club.

Personally I'd like Noble to go to be replaced by Lam and a support team of his choosing, ideally including Wane & Farrell (when he can secure release from his Union contract). I'd rather this change take place sooner rather than later so the new coach can come in and assess the playing staff before the end of the season; that way he can have a better idea of what the club needs.

You stated you suppored millward in his stay here..."if" we had got relegated would you have still supported him? or called for his head ?(serious question)..while I want wigan to win..I don't think I could support a coach I had no faith in (millward being a prime example)..I support the club but sometimes as with all things in life..you have to do what you think is best..and I don't mean booing the team (though I understand why some do) I don't think noble will take us any further (though I will be happy if he proves me wrong)..I can see where jonh is coming from..he wants the best for the club as do we all....but unless noble changes his style of play..we will either die of boredom or think (more so as times are hard now) of better ways of spending our money...all I ask of my team is to entertain me if we lose and it's been a good game I can live with that..after all thats what we pay for..now we have to see if they can deliver that.

I can understand both points of view. Maybe Noble has taken us as far as he can but he deserves the chance to carry on his work seeing as we've improved every year since he took over, this playing style issue has just been magnified due to the poor start.

One thing for sure, throwing a game is riddiculous.

Your right they didnt, however romans stood by and watched the wrong man in charge burn it to the ground overnight!

Not saying nobby is wrong man, but what he is doing at the moment is clearly wrong.

Everyone could see we needed at least a stand off and a prop, but definately a stand off.

I dont buy this slow start but will come good at the business end stuff either, winning is a habit unfortunatley so is loosing.

This year is the first year for a long time where we have had a full squad to pick from and we get hammered by wakfield (they should have got 30) and beaten by a hull side in their first competative game!

But dont worry all will be ok come playoffs as thats when we start playing well!

Perhaps we as fans should take a leaf out of the players and nobles book and just show up for leeds and the playoffs.

What agenda? Stating i should apply for the position is just silly.

If people questioned management and the leaders of the organisation a bit more we may not as a country be is such a mess with the banking. Simply because someone is in a position of authority it does not mean they are beyond question.

You cannot follow blindly. The reason i want Noble out is because i do not think he is the man for the job and is infact harming us more than helping us. I have made this assessment over the last 2 years. Noble will not walk away so i think a loss at Cas will force IL's hand.

Sometimes for growth you have to take a short term hit, a loss against Cas for me is that short term hit for the long term future of the club.

I can see your point but we've still improved every year under Noble so to ditch him, for me, is rash. Stability is key with a proven coach.

This is where we disagree.

I watched Salford and Celtic last night. Both team had numerous new players, yet played more rugby than Wigan. The plays that put Duggan over for his 2 tries were a joy to watch. As a Celtic fan I would have been Happy with their 2 performances and yet they're at the bottom with Wigan,
Saints impressed me because when they went 16-14 up against Wire, they continued to play attractive rugby and not shove it up the jumper as Wigan did in the second half at Hull.

In what area have we improved?

Defence
Attack
Ball Retention
Giving away fewer technical free kicks?
Discipline (how many sent off last year)

For me the only place we have improved under nobby, is that we dont seem to pick up as many injuries as we used too.

Or who IL allows them to sign !!

Well yes but that's the same at any club, there's always a bean counter holding the purse-strings, in our case it's the Chair.

But what if the 'bean counter' is deciding who we sign not the coach.

you have hit the nail on the head, times are getting harder and people want good value for money, as i stated in a previous post i think we are one of the most boring teams in super league.

The bean counter will ultimately decide; a coach puts forward a 'wanted' list in priority based on the financial constraints of the club. The bean counter and the coach discuss the proposal and then the club makes its attempts to sign the players within agreed pricing parameters and in away that will not breach the salary cap.

Of course, if you mean the bean counter signs players without prior suggestion/approval from the coach then you have a more serious situation...

Speaking of which you failed to answer my question. Why are you not coaching? Serious question. You have done nothing for over a year but hammer Brian Noble in nearly every single post. You claim to know everything about coaching so why dont you send your CV in to Ian Lenegan and lets see you take charge.

You claim that Ellery Hanley is some kind of master coach yet i fail to see SL clubs queueing up for him. Im pretty sure if Noble was sacked at Wigan he would get a job easy enough elsewhere as soon as a vacancy came along and he wouldnt end up coaching an team in NL1/2.

My original point is that none of the supporters should wish for Cas to beat Wigan on Friday which is what Jon was saying and we don't need supporters that think like that.

We can all ask questions and say what we would do but to say 2 games into a season that you hope we get beat so Nobby go's is not a logical remark to make.

He might have taken the club as far as he can i personally don't think that is the case and do feel we will get to if not win a final this year.

And if Nobby should go who would replace him what British coaches have we that are better? Edwards has no coaching experience in coaching in Super League and i don't think he is ready to come back to Wigan until his son is older but when the time comes i would love to see him back home. That means an overseas coach and who is available? all the best ones are with NRL clubs. So lets stick with what we have for now and if we are not doing well towards the end of the season then it time to not renew his contract and replace him now is not the time.

And thats my last post on this subject for now lets see where we are at the end of round 14.