Metres gained is surely a metric of an individual's performance with ball in hand, not a measure of how deep the attacking line sits.

so drop outs and kick offs are right then?

Yes, quite simple, the ball has been kicked by the opposition. From the moment its caught and returned, these are metres gained by the team with the ball in a brand new set of six, its no different than a team kicking on the 5th tackle and the fullback returning it.

so thats what was said at the start then, should be made from when the person gets the ball not just the advantage line

No its completely different. After a kick or charge down, there is no longer an advantage line because its a brand new set of six tackles. I'll give you that its a bit of a grey area as the player returning the ball will sometimes get easy yards but they are still metres gained in the set of six tackles. Passing the ball backwards 10 metres to a player who only runs 8 metres on the 3rd tackle is quite clearly not 8 metres gained and recording the stats in this way is quite simply crazy. You could have a player losing 2 metres from the advantage line every carry but being awarded 8 metres gained and another player that actually makes 5 metres over the advantage line every carry from flat balls and the player who lost 2 metres on every carry will have a higher metres gained stat at the end of the match.

The real number the clubs look for is metres after contact. The numbers released are inflated sometimes but its like the tackle charts, if you put your hand on as third man in then thats classed as a tackle. Once upon a time it was a tackle assist. The clubs have acess to the real numbers what matter. The ones published are a rough guide.

There's obviously some interpretation involved but I know for sure that's not how they calculate tackles, here at least.

some someone picking up a pass beats 2 men and gains 8 metres but give him a minus 2 but someone can gain 20 from a booming kick?......give over

How would he beat 2 men? In the example used, the ball is passed backwards 10 metres from the PTB. That would require the defensive line to of advanced in front of the last PTB. Ive never seen a defence that quick unless they were all stood a mile offside.

You're argument is sheer lunacy. It rewards a loss of metres forward and records it as a gain. Its like getting on the M6 Motorway at Standish, driving south 10 miles then turning around and driving back north 8 miles and saying you are 8 miles closer to Preston than you were when you started the journey. Crazy.

so you've never seen a poor pass from dummy half to a player who picks the ball up and the defence is on them?.....really?

Thats an unintended error, of course in that situation it gives the defence more time to move up if the ball lands on the floor and does not go to a player. Now you are just being awkward. The fact is that during the normal run of a game, the defensive line should never end up in front of the attacking teams last PTB. If that happens it is always classed as a loss in metres except in your world where you would register it as a gain.

im being awkward? I have given you examples where people steal cheeky yards and are counted and say its the same as when you catch the ball it should count as then its same across the board, you have argued it all down and brought up a ridiculous example yet im being awkward? The NRL rule is far better as its black and white, last one from me this, if a passing play sweeps from one side of the pitch to the other thus causing the ball to be backwards 10 yards from when it started as its been passed lets say 5 times, you think by your own words a defender should be no where near them on the last pass as they should have got no where near the advantage line? ......ill leave that one with you to ponder

You are talking about multiple passes now and trying to find a way to justify what is a stupid idea. That was never the argument. The argument was that the hooker throws the ball back 10 metres and the player that catches it runs 8 metres forward and should be awarded an 8 metre gain even though he lost 2 metres from the position of the last PTB. Its the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard.

You simply cannot claim a gain if the player had lost metres, that is basic common sense that even a 5 year old could get their head around.

If you want to award players metres as you are trying to argue it would have to be a seperate stat for metres run, not metres gained, two very different things.

Lets put it a different way, since your (NRL) way of doing things does not differentiate from metres run and metres gained, would you count metres run sideways and backwards as well? After all, they are still metres the player has run.

How has Williams been performing since his man of the match ward?

That was only a couple of weeks ago!

Raiders lost last week. Williams went OK, though, and got another try assist.

Raiders are on again at 7am on Sunday 21st June.

Thought they won last week

Very well. Top of the assist charts.

They did, was week before that they lost when George assisted all 3 trys.

Jack Wighton, who the Aussies rave about, has made miles more errors than George as well as doing some realm good stuff.
George does that in SL and he gets slated.

I will not trust my obviously fallible memory again without checking first! Sorry about that!

They have now lost this week.

Williams getting slated online for this weeks performance. He won’t be able to get away with his inconsistent super league form in the NRL unfortunately

It does look like the daggers are out for him over their too, jumping on any poor performance and down playing his good ones.
I only watched the second half this morning but the Raiders looked really sloppy, low completion rate and soft turnovers, Williams didn’t really get much field position to play with. They have some tough fixtures coming up and with performances like that they will find themselves dropping down the table fairly quickly.

His performances have been far more consistent minute to minute, half to half and game to game than Jack Wighton.

Jarrod Croker makes 2/3 different decisions and holds onto the ball from William's kick different game.

Wouldn't give Geirge more than a 7 this week, but he certainly wasnt one ofbthebpoorer performers and others (Hodgson again) made more errors and were sloppier.
If any Canberra fans are having a pop (dont read their forums) then I guess theyll breathe equivalent ofnthe armchair experts over here.