Am I right in remembering that happened when we were 12 ahead, plenty time left, then having built up lots of pressure in our half and only 4th tackle? I love exciting play but I was cursing him for that to be honest!

It 100% wasn’t the right play, although it very very nearly came off and I actually think Burgess could have done better with it, however it shows the freedom and confidence that Lam has given his players.

It really made me smile after what was a fairly woeful first half.

With the pace we have the kick behind is a weapon that should be used more, the chip could have been a kick deep for Burgess to chase, it is good to see players playing head up rather than follow a strict game plan.

Of course the Wane influence is still there. Most of those players played under him for a long time, some their entire career. However you can't blame Lam when things are going badly and then credit Wane when we go 12 from the last 13. Lam has done an excellent job in steering this ship from the choppy waters of early season. We're now confirmed in 2nd with a good crack at the GF ahead of us. That's down to Lam, his coaching staff and the players themselves.

I said at the game last night that we'd approach this game in play off mode, and so we did. Dogged and aggressive in the first half which stifled and frustrated the opposition, then opening up and using our superior pace in the 2nd. We've seen it before many times and we know how effective that is in bringing home the trophies. I've said it for a while now; we'll have a big say in where the trophy goes come October.

Can’t under estimate the importance of Matty Peet even just from an extra support unit for Lam - he can now focus on his core strengths and delegate defence to Peet. I’m wondering what Winder offers?!

The players all seem to be playing with smiles on the face which is down to Adrian Lam surely

You could speculate Cas forced us into a bit of a desperate measure with that. We had been pinned on our line for a few sets and could not get out. A kick on the 4th wouldn't have been a bad tactic to take the play down the pitch but I didn't see that coming. The crowd liked it and had it come off it would have brought the house down.

Even though it didn't, it still relieved the pressure a bit.

We have pace to burn so kicks for the wingers are a good idea every now and again. One of the big criticisms of the Wane era was how predictable we were. That seems to have changed.

I agree, last week against Catalans Zak put up two high kicks which caused mass confusion. The first gave way to French's 2nd Try (let's ignore Sarginson offside BRW) and the second was from a kick off which bounced and went dead with ball back to us.

If we could just put balls into space and make their defenders turn around we would be do much better for it (a good deep kick and chase is worth two tackles IMO).

I'm struggling to see how turning over the ball about 30m from our line is relieving pressure. If they score there then we're only a score ahead and they have the momentum.

I get what you and JohnH are saying about creativity and giving players a bit of scope to try things though, and I was bloody bored under Wane. If it was a deeper kick for French to chase I'd be more understanding, Burgess isn't in the kind of form to be giving him a low percentage play to try IMO. We need to get the ball in French's hands more, in space ideally.

I think we are all forgetting the influence of Alex Murphy and Graeme West have had on the team that's carried forward to last night...

Something that Blake Green used to do all the time! It’s a perfect play when we are 30/40 from our own line, struggling for yards and the opposition isn’t expecting it.

I can’t believe we don’t do more high kicks out wide to Burgess on the oppositions line either.

From memory I thought it was the 5th? But even so IMO the way Cas were flying off the line it was proving difficult just to get a kick away never mind get any depth on it (we were inside our own 20).
Whilst a brave play i think it was an ok option as turning the ball over with a scrum and a breather with a set defence may have been the better option than a rushed weak kick with the FB or wingers catching it on their 40 and possibly making it back to our 40 but with an unorganised defence.

The only thing wrong IMO is geaorge should have kicked it 10/15 yards further ahead and I'm sure Budgie would have made it and if he didn't the scrum would have been up past the 40

It wasn’t the last tackle. I remember thinking at the time Wane would kill him.

There are several players who developed at the club under Wane so of course some Wan's influence is still there. Lam has given licence to the players to express themselves in some parts of the field. The fact that Wigan's defence has improved of late and that the backs were running through brick walls again might actually be the influence of John Winder. Remember that he was retained to provide some continuity.

Lam’s biggest influence on an individual has been on Sam Powell. He’s so much better now he’s mixing his game up and isn’t predictable. I thought he was brilliant last night in his control of the game, with his defensive efforts being backed up by a lovely kicking game.

"If I have seen further it is because I am standing on the shoulders of giants" as Sir Isaac Newton once said to me one night in Pemps.

Which was another way of saying "Actually, i pinched other people's ideas"..

A lot to thank Brian Noble for, Noble built the spine of the team and others inherited and added to it

Genuinely can’t tell if that’s sarcasm or not

The change in form coincided with Matty peet returning to the club as defense coach.

He is the future Wigan head coach

Think about it

Fans have almost unanimously been demanding more excitement. We get a bit and people whinge as it didn’t come off.

Tbf I do think that Noble doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.

His appointment stopped the rot and whilst he took us as far as he could, he potentially started the mentality thing. If you remember back in the day Noble had a bit of a rep for his teams turning it on at playoffs time. I have no doubt plenty of guys learnt some stuff from that and took it forward into the Madge and Wane era's.

Madge was the main guy tho. He took an good, but underachieving, team and made them into GF winners over the course of one pre season. He introduced a new system in attack and defence and everyone bought into it.

Wane?... you've gone through a horrid 8 months partly because of Wane... attendance down nearly 1/3 since he became 1st team coach...
A catalogue of off field embarrassments....Had he had have been something to be thankful for...there wouldn't have been the diabolical Edwards scenario.
Lam comes out of this with.so much credit...he literally has managed to polish up a shat.
Lam has gone up massively in my opinion of him and he would be my coach of the year.

I get you, but there's a difference between playing exciting rugby and throwing the ball away in your own 30 on 4th tackle when they have been building up pressure on our line. It's not even like it almost worked; if Burgess catches it then he's still getting bundled into touch.

no he wouldnt as the winger had turned and was behind him, if burgess still had any pace or gave a damn he would have got it and had the fullback to beat. If it had been the other wing it would have been interesting