so your saying the players i rated werent the best players on the pitch??

briscoe did well yes. goulding ... not for me.

crabtree in for fielden next week.

and cudjoe in for goulding

Crabtree should be in for griffin who shouldnt even be over there.

Goulding does not deserve to get dropped after that performance, why let your Hudderfield Bias get in the way and instead want England to play their best?

Fielden made 1 handling error and gave away 1 pen and you want him dropped?? glad you're not coach.

Griffin should be nowhere near an England jersey, Crabtree in for him maybe.

Goulding deserves to keep his place

griffin was solid enough...and had played better than crabtree this season. fielden gave away penalties and knocked on in the first half which helped nz go 10-0 up, silly ill discipline

im not being biased just dont think goulding had a good game.

As someone said he gave away one penalty and knocked on once, do you think that warrants being dropped? If so most of the team should be dropped.

And as for you not thinking Goulding had a good game..

You must have high expectations.

Who would you play at hooker then as surely Roby shouldn't be playing as he knocked on twice and then when you drop burgess for his knock on the pack is starting to look a bit light!

lunt in for roby

Look at Gouldings stats compared to Briscoe's:

[uGoulding[/u
Mins - 80
Receives -14
Runs (m) 10 (72m)
Try Ass.
T.Brks - 1
Tackles - 8
Offloads
L.Brks
Errors - 1
Pen Conc.

[uBriscoe[/u
Mins - 80
Receives - 8
Runs (m) 6 (49m)
Try Ass.
T.Brks - 2
Tackles - 3
Offloads
L.Brks
Errors - 1
Pen Conc.

How anyone can say Goulding had a poor game and Briscoe was better is beyond me and is blatent bias.

[urlhttp://live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match3976.html[/url

they targeted goulding with kicks thats why he took the ball up more, got put back on his a$$ a few times too when doing so.

You have such limited knowledge of Rugby League, go away.

No they didnt, Goulding barely got a kick, if any at all. They all went to Widdop. I even think more kicks went to Briscoe than Goulding. Talk about blatent lies.

Cudjoe didnt get picked, Goulding did, get over it

Infact f*ck it, play all the Average Hudds players, send our boys home. Id rather them be enjoying a rest over here than being humiliated against Australia.

He barely got any kicks to him! he took the ball up loads and you saying he got put on his backside whilst doing so, his meters don't suggest that.
But yeah i'll just echo everyone elses sentiments, lets just play all the average huddersfield player instead.
the only player that shouldn't be there next week is griffin, with crabtree in instead and possibly widdop not at fullback, but we've got limited options.

The ref was a disgrace, not in terms of decisions or anything just his attitude towards the english players, 0 respect.

He also left his spot for the first try, leaving Shenton with too much ground to make up. But it was his debut so not to be too harsh on him.


Agreed. Tomkins should be at fullback next time out, regardless of how poor our halfback combo is without him (although it wasn't that much better with him!)


I agree. I also think Briscoe did very well. Roby in the second half was good too, though awful in the first.

Too many errors in the first half gave away copious amounts of possession and field position. Very poor defence from most players throughout. Graham was top dollar in defence and one or two others worked equally hard, but even Westwood, normally such a grafter in defence, decided to tickle the players rather than tackle them on too many occasions.

We looked very promising in the second half, which is unusual as that is normally when we collapse, but we need to (a) get rid of our errors - some of them are ridiculous; (b) defend because even when we had the numbers to cover we opted not to be bothered; (c) get a kicking game; (d) follow up - too many potential try-scoring offloads went unpassed because players were asleep, and (e) keep up 100% effort for the full 80 minutes. We can't do anything about the halfbacks so we have to make the best of what we have. But if we play as we played for about 15 minutes in the second half then we should have a fighting chance against the Aussies. After all, we did beat the Kiwis in the second half. We are capable, even with second/third choice halfbacks. But we have to remember we're in an international, not a friendly, and everyone has to put on their best performance rather than just a few.

Goulding didn't leave his spot, he had made the previous tackle (which probably saved a try at that point) and was stood at marker for the play the ball

Don't do that. People need a Wiganer as a scapegoat, instead of pointing the finger at the inept, clueless and uninspiring coach

That's an interesting theory. The stats show how many kick returns the players made. Goulding made 1! He gained 8 metres from it.



Goulding had just made a very good tackle on Fien so he was at marker. Where else was he supposed to be? The defensive line should accomodate but Shenton wasn't paying any attention to his man and could have prevented the try very easily.

Not in-field when he's a winger and there is a serious threat to the line. But so far as I could see that was his only error in judgement and he did well for his debut.

How's it an error in judgement? If he hadn't made that tackle there and then they would have scored nearer the posts, shenton should of covered it seeing that goulding was at marker

So he should have let the player score the try just so he could have been in position for the next play? Riiiiight.

Having played the game on the wing, if you can make the tackle make it.
If you are then first or second marker then it's up to your colleagues to adjust their line and provide sufficient cover.

Unless your Saintsfan!
They're so used to watching Meli & gardner do ball all they'd have told Goulding to stay on the touchline and let em score the play before (It was actually Brown's error as he came up to quick and got squared up on the play before to let NZ get on the outside, He did it about 4 times 1st half!).

I say dear fellow, even though I have just gotten the better of you in our recent confrontation.....would you please mind awfully waiting whilst I rush back into my position of one's wing?

My point was about him being in-field in the first place when he is supposed to be covering the wing. Sure, Shenton should have covered given that Goulding went in field. But he made the decision to go in field instead of leaving it to the players already there, so disrupting the defensive structure when the Kiwis were very close to the line.

You are being partisan but this isn't Wigan we're talking about; it's England. He wasn't the only one to make a poor judgement or indeed make a mistake. But he wasn't perfect either. Other than that one decision he had a good debut. But please do ignore my previous sentence because people on here do keep ignoring it!

If he hadn't have made the tackle infield, odds are the kiwi's would have scored.

Would you rather he just stood purely on the wing and said "Meh, that's infield, not my problem"?