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| I've been impressed with IL so far and I don't expect him to tell us things until he decides to.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"Doesnt that seem logical when you say it like that?
It also seemed logical to come out weeks/months ago and tell the fans if Brian Noble was going to be here next year or not. IL didnt even have to name the new coach other than say Noble will/wont be here next year and the new coach is/isnt lined up already. To me it seems like one big b@lls up!'"
I don't think it would show much sense to say: "Brian Noble won't be here next year because we're not renewing his contract. Oh ... and we haven't got anyone else lined up."
Now that would be a real b@lls up.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I don't think it would show much sense to say: "Brian Noble won't be here next year because we're not renewing his contract. Oh ... and we haven't got anyone else lined up."
Now that would be a real b@lls up.'"
As though they would word it like that
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"As though they would word it like that
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Well how do you word "we've just sacked our coach and haven't got another one lined up" without it making you look a bit of a prat?
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| Is it classed as sacking if he's out of contract?
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| Quote ="Warrior21"Is it classed as sacking if he's out of contract?'"
Okay.
"We haven't renewed our coach's contract. But we haven't got anyone else lined up."
Given the ability of certain folk on here and in the press to have an absolute field-day even when Wigan do and/or say nothing, I'd imagine a statement like that would signal the apocalypse.
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| Why would he look like a prat? It would put everyone in the picture. As it stands now he looks like an even bigger prat as the people he is trying to sell the Wigan RL brand to have no idea who the coach is next year or if we even have a coach for next year.
If your scenario is true then all he needed to do is come out and say 'Brian Noble will be leaving at the end of the season and we are in negotiations with candidates for the head coach position, an announcement will be made as soon as possible'.
Infact IMO theres only one reason for him not to come out and tell us that and that reason is that he has b@llsed the situation up.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"Why would he look like a prat? It would put everyone in the picture. As it stands now he looks like an even bigger prat as the people he is trying to sell the Wigan RL brand to have no idea who the coach is next year or if we even have a coach for next year.
If your scenario is true then all he needed to do is come out and say 'Brian Noble will be leaving at the end of the season and we are in negotiations with candidates for the head coach position, an announcement will be made as soon as possible'.
Infact IMO theres only one reason for him not to come out and tell us that and that reason is that he has b@llsed the situation up.'"
All you've really done here is prove my previous point. You don't know anything - so the Wigan chairman is a prat.
Good one.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"All you've really done here is prove my previous point. You don't know anything - so the Wigan chairman is a prat.
Good one.'"
Please explain why i dont know anything?
All that you have done is proven that when your opinion is questioned you will throw your toys out of the pram and come back with a surly reply as above.
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| I thought the Mecca Bingo sponsorship was for a year with a 1 year option from both sides?
Is this not the case or have one of the two parties said no thanks to next year?
As for this 'IL should be telling us because we have a right to know as we, by going to games, finance the club'; that is laughable.
IL made his fortune himself with no help from hand outs, clearly he is a shrewd business man who knows exactly what he is doing.
There is not a single decent business man out there in any line of work who tells people anything unless he needs to. This coaching situation is clearly beneficial to the club to not be confirmed.
Using deduction, the situation has not been clarified because there is nothing to tell therefore any announcement would create more unrest than silience is (which is upsetting a few).
Noble is porbably going and therefore IL has not said anything to upset the momentum we have going or because the incoming coach is still under contract with another club, therefore something like a non-disclosure agreement has been signed until both clubs are happy with the timing.
Quite frankly IL has to keep quiet even if a few fans seem to think they are entitled to know the finer workings of something when it would be detrimental to the Wigan business and probably a n other (not to mention lowering the good name of Wigan RL).
I mean do you think ICI, Tesco's and all other big concerns doll out information because their staff think they should or when it is correct for the business?
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"Brian Noble will be leaving at the end of the season and we are in negotiations with candidates for the head coach position, an announcement will be made as soon as possible
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So he says that and gets moaned at because everyone knows he's really saying this:
Quote ="Cruncher"we've just sacked our coach and haven't got another one lined up'"
Ultimatly until IL can annouce something positive on the matter, then it is better to not announce at all, because we would all know what he is really saying, and he would 'look a prat'.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"Please explain why i dont know anything?
All that you have done is proven that when your opinion is questioned you will throw your toys out of the pram and come back with a surly reply as above.'"
Because you're the one complaining that he's keeping you in the dark.
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| As a fan I believe we shouldn't be kept in the dark, at the end of the day without fans there would be no club.
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| IL is the big man , he doesnt have to justify himself to us - he has to trust his own judgement on this issue , ignore the masses n back him/sack him.
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| I'm 99% sure Noble is off to Celtic Crusaders.
My money is on McGuire to replace him, but he hasn't coached first grade, which you now need to have done.
I think the club will apply for special dispensation ie John Dixon.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"I'm 99% sure Noble is off to Celtic Crusaders.
My money is on McGuire to replace him, but he hasn't coached first grade, which you now need to have done.
I think the club will apply for special dispensation ie John Dixon.'"
What do you mean when you say special dispensation?
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"What do you mean when you say special dispensation?'"
Not sure what Celtic's reasoning was, but it worked.
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| Quote ="Batesy"So he says that and gets moaned at because everyone knows he's really saying this:
Ultimatly until IL can annouce something positive on the matter, then it is better to not announce at all, because we would all know what he is really saying, and he would 'look a prat'.'"
No he would not get moaned at. He would be seen to be in control of the situation rather than it looking like it does now-a b@lls up. I suspect the truth behind it all is that he failed to get his number 1 choice (Kearney) so has been scratching around for a replacement ever since.Hes played Noble at a game all along hoping that in the worst case scenario in that he cannot get a new coach he can just try to talk him into a one year deal and the game would start all over again next year.
There is absolutely no reason why IL could not commit to a yes or no answer weeks ago when asked if Noble would or wouldnt be here next year. If you can give me a reason why that should be kept a secret then please feel free to do so.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"No he would not get moaned at. He would be seen to be in control of the situation rather than it looking like it does now-a b@lls up. I suspect the truth behind it all is that he failed to get his number 1 choice (Kearney) so has been scratching around for a replacement ever since.Hes played Noble at a game all along hoping that in the worst case scenario in that he cannot get a new coach he can just try to talk him into a one year deal and the game would start all over again next year.
There is absolutely no reason why IL could not commit to a yes or no answer weeks ago when asked if Noble would or wouldnt be here next year. If you can give me a reason why that should be kept a secret then please feel free to do so.'"
So if Noble is off and IL tells us this week, do you not think this will be counter productive to the team for the run in to the finals?
If Noble is not staying the sensible thing to do is keep quiet until the Wigan season runs it's course.
Even if he does tell us (and i hope he doesn't) people will then say 'well now tell me who is replacing him' and chances are that person coming in is under contract. Therefore we will destabilise the team and peope like you will still not be happy because you don't know the replacement.
To sum it all up, surely if he could tell us he would!!!
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"No he would not get moaned at. He would be seen to be in control of the situation rather than it looking like it does now-a b@lls up. I suspect the truth behind it all is that he failed to get his number 1 choice (Kearney) so has been scratching around for a replacement ever since.Hes played Noble at a game all along hoping that in the worst case scenario in that he cannot get a new coach he can just try to talk him into a one year deal and the game would start all over again next year.
There is absolutely no reason why IL could not commit to a yes or no answer weeks ago when asked if Noble would or wouldnt be here next year. If you can give me a reason why that should be kept a secret then please feel free to do so.'"
Disagree completely, announcing anything regarding the coaching position within the last 8 weeks would have been detrimental to the team, UNLESS he was staying, in which case it would have been announced ages ago.
I think that everyone who needs to know will already know, and thats the way it should be. Fairly enough as fans we want to know whats going on, but thats not how clubs are run in reality.
Its different from what St Helens did with Anderson last year, he was a massively successful coach who announced that he was going back to Aus, in which case it would only have been beneficial to the team and club and fans to give him a big send off. With Noble though, a lot of fans would be happy to already see him gone, changing the situation completely.
As long as something re: coach and signings is announced as soon as we are knocked out of the playoffs, absolutely fine by me.
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"No he would not get moaned at. He would be seen to be in control of the situation rather than it looking like it does now-a b@lls up. I suspect the truth behind it all is that he failed to get his number 1 choice (Kearney) so has been scratching around for a replacement ever since.Hes played Noble at a game all along hoping that in the worst case scenario in that he cannot get a new coach he can just try to talk him into a one year deal and the game would start all over again next year.
There is absolutely no reason why IL could not commit to a yes or no answer weeks ago when asked if Noble would or wouldnt be here next year. If you can give me a reason why that should be kept a secret then please feel free to do so.'"
Nothing but negative supposition, again.
I repeat - you don't know what's happening, so you're making up a worst case scenario because you're peeved at being kept in the dark.
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| Quote ="inside_man"Disagree completely, announcing anything regarding the coaching position within the last 8 weeks would have been detrimental to the team, UNLESS he was staying, in which case it would have been announced ages ago.
I think that everyone who needs to know will already know, and thats the way it should be. Fairly enough as fans we want to know whats going on, but thats not how clubs are run in reality.
Its different from what St Helens did with Anderson last year, he was a massively successful coach who announced that he was going back to Aus, in which case it would only have been beneficial to the team and club and fans to give him a big send off. With Noble though, a lot of fans would be happy to already see him gone, changing the situation completely.
As long as something re: coach and signings is announced as soon as we are knocked out of the playoffs, absolutely fine by me.'"
Or after we win it
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| Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"No he would not get moaned at. He would be seen to be in control of the situation rather than it looking like it does now-a b@lls up. I suspect the truth behind it all is that he failed to get his number 1 choice (Kearney) so has been scratching around for a replacement ever since.Hes played Noble at a game all along hoping that in the worst case scenario in that he cannot get a new coach he can just try to talk him into a one year deal and the game would start all over again next year.
There is absolutely no reason why IL could not commit to a yes or no answer weeks ago when asked if Noble would or wouldnt be here next year. If you can give me a reason why that should be kept a secret then please feel free to do so.'"
As said above, there is every reason why IL would not tell us that we have no coach the week before the finals.
As has also been said before, why does he have to tells us now, when the alternative is tell us when the finals are over.
The only game he's played Noble at is win a new contract, I'm not sure what you would like him to do. He has made no comment on Noble other than he likes the guy, and a contract will be offered or not offered based on results. Where is the game in that?
Of course he would get moaned at, have you been to wigan? Nobody loves anything more than a good moan, and infact everyone is moaning right now becuase IL hasn't told us something we don't need to know yet.
What if he is currently talking to three coaches/clubs, if he tells us this he risks upsetting 4 clubs, including our own, so close to the play-offs. If he is in contract negotiations with Noble, IL has no reason to tell us this and potentially put people off the games (if you believe some of the threats on here.) If IL has nobody lined up, and is still considering his options, then agian, I wouldn't be telling people that if I was him because I would have nothing positive to announce.
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| Be in no doubt, IL will be looking to confirm a coach for next year, whether that's BN or AN Other. He could and should be looking at as many candidates as he can, to make sure whoever does the job for us next year is the best man for the job. If he hasn't found anyone by now, and if BN walks away, I fear we could be left with a less than satisfactory position where we use a caretaker coach or get the wrong man. If a better alternative isn't available, get BN signed up asap.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Not sure what Celtic's reasoning was, but it worked.'"
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