They came out with the first post along with the rest of the toys in the pram

Quote ="jonh"I questioned his ability to deffend there given what i and everyone else had seen with there own 2 eyes prior to the Bulls game, i also stated that the systems in defence we used were not helping this, systems which have now changed, or at least did for the second half of the Quins game and the Bradford game, something you completly choose to ignore, as it does not fit with your petty name calling. '" viewtopic.php? ... c&start=15 You did not 'question' anything Jonh as this thread proves. You shot down the idea of Bailey playing centre saying he was too slow and running on dead legs. You did not mention the defensive systems being used so i have 'chose to ignore' (as you put it) nothing. Basically you just rubbished the idea of Bailey playing centre as you think you know it all. Once again you have been proven wrong. I shall find the thread where you stated Noble won everything by pure luck and you could coach better than him. Give me time.

Quote ="jonh"I questioned his ability to deffend there given what i and everyone else had seen with there own 2 eyes prior to the Bulls game, i also stated that the systems in defence we used were not helping this, systems which have now changed, or at least did for the second half of the Quins game and the Bradford game, something you completly choose to ignore, as it does not fit with your petty name calling. '" viewtopic.php? ... c&start=15 You did not 'question' anything Jonh as this thread proves. You shot down the idea of Bailey playing centre saying he was too slow and running on dead legs. You did not mention the defensive systems being used so i have 'chose to ignore' (as you put it) nothing. Basically you just rubbished the idea of Bailey playing centre as you think you know it all. Once again you have been proven wrong. I shall find the thread where you stated Noble won everything by pure luck and you could coach better than him. Give me time.

Things are Hotting Up Now!

How Will Jonh respond?
Will he come back with More Evidence to contradict the Undisputable evidence served up by RHJ!
Will he come up with his own indisputable evidence to prove that he was right all along?
Will RHJ over do his Victory, become complacent & allow Jonh to steal a late victory!
Will Jonh disappear Never to be seen again?

Who Knows? Only Time will tell but please don't forget to tune into the next installment of "Lost"! ( I certainly am, can't remember who said what Now!

)

PS

I said play Bailey at centre Prior to the Leigh friendly to Rogues!

So there!

quality make good reality tv that mate !

Bollox. Prove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have my word.

Would I lie to you.

Classic song!!

Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"viewtopic.php?t=393699&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 You did not 'question' anything Jonh as this thread proves. You shot down the idea of Bailey playing centre saying he was too slow and running on dead legs. You did not mention the defensive systems being used so i have 'chose to ignore' (as you put it) nothing. Basically you just rubbished the idea of Bailey playing centre as you think you know it all. Once again you have been proven wrong. I shall find the thread where you stated Noble won everything by pure luck and you could coach better than him. Give me time.'" On the face of that performance against Wakefield it was a dead right call, given he was skinned twice in the wide channel which lead to 2 tries, which cost us the game, i am sure if you have gone back over my posts you will have come to the ones later maybe a week after when i said his defence is a liability out wide, given the systems employed. I am not sure when he moved to centre first against quins maybe where he continued to leak tries, in fact in the face of 5 performances now he has defended well in a game and a half, hardly shoring up the defence. The only times he has defended well are when the line has closed the space on the opposition something i called for all along. Feel free to keep digging around i am happy for you to do it, but if you come across the posts that support my argument please post them as i am really not that sad to go over them all. Interesting comparison by the way, especially the missed tackles. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

Quote ="Red Hot Jalapeno"viewtopic.php?t=393699&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 You did not 'question' anything Jonh as this thread proves. You shot down the idea of Bailey playing centre saying he was too slow and running on dead legs. You did not mention the defensive systems being used so i have 'chose to ignore' (as you put it) nothing. Basically you just rubbished the idea of Bailey playing centre as you think you know it all. Once again you have been proven wrong. I shall find the thread where you stated Noble won everything by pure luck and you could coach better than him. Give me time.'" On the face of that performance against Wakefield it was a dead right call, given he was skinned twice in the wide channel which lead to 2 tries, which cost us the game, i am sure if you have gone back over my posts you will have come to the ones later maybe a week after when i said his defence is a liability out wide, given the systems employed. I am not sure when he moved to centre first against quins maybe where he continued to leak tries, in fact in the face of 5 performances now he has defended well in a game and a half, hardly shoring up the defence. The only times he has defended well are when the line has closed the space on the opposition something i called for all along. Feel free to keep digging around i am happy for you to do it, but if you come across the posts that support my argument please post them as i am really not that sad to go over them all. Interesting comparison by the way, especially the missed tackles. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

Hmmmm

How in the name of God was it a dead right call?

Yes it has been a disaster moving Bailey back to centre



Mr Noble if your reading this please move Bailey back to second row ASAP and put Goulding back there!

The quote you have selected was made at the start of the season. It has to be taken in context. On the evidence we had to go on Bailey had been skinned twice in the centre chanel which lead to 2 tries and was the difference between a win and a loss vs Wakefield.

There were other options in the team, options in fact Noble (aka the guru) chose to use as well, or are you now saying he was wrong.

As you clearly select quotes without placing them in the context they were made yet some how miss posts i have made much more recently on the Bailey to centre issue (how convenient) I think it shows a certain mentality.

You also seem to think Bailey has suddenly become the answer to our centre issue on the back of 1 good game, he missed at least 1 tackle which lead to a try vs Quins and had a average first half, in the second half when we moved forward more as a defensive line and vs Bradford where this was also the case, something i said would help Bailey on the much more recent quotes you do not post (conveniently).

I have started to notice a pattern, you again simply ignore points aimed at justifying my opinion that do not fit your argument and simply select snippets to suit your line.

I am still waiting to see where i claimed i was a better rugby league coach than Noble, or are you still searching, missing any of my posts that back up what i say. Again i have to say it shows a certain mentality that you after a great performance rush home to have a pop at people who have a different opinion to you, and to compound that spend your time trawling through my posts from the start of the season trying to prove your point, yet fail to somehow miss the ones that confirm my stance.

You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet with me and Dave for having a strong opinion that does not go with yours, but it is interesting to see if you stand back just how opinionated you are too.

I will be over the moon to be proven wrong about both Noble and Bailey, but after 1 good game you cannot expect me to do so? Surely that would be bandwagon jumping at its finest something you yourself are so critical of in your initial post.

I have the Quote Right here to Hand!

Jukesays in Leigh Sproting Village Hotel after 4 pints of Castlemaine!

And I Quote!

"Tell You What Rogues! That Goulding Can't tackle for Toffee!
If it were me I would Play Bailey at Centre, especially 1st 1/2 dozen games to give us some solidity in the Backs!
Put Goulding on Bench and bring him on after 25/30 mins if things are going well.
And While were at it, that Smith is even Worse at Tackling! It won't be long before Tomkins gets in!

I also Think Liverpool will beat Real Madrid Home & Away!

Warrington Won't win a game until April and Manly Will Butcher Leeds in the WCC!"

There You go Pemps!

Conclusive Proof!

What's your prediction for Utd v Milan?

....and this weeks Euro millions!

Oooh yes. Forgot about the £85m.

New stadium for Wigan RLFC in Appley Bridge

I would be asleep 5mins into the game!

That's Why

I will be watching Boots n All !

jonh Quote "....and this weeks Euro millions!"




I'm not telling You!

I'm keeping it to myslef and I am then going to instigate a One Man War against the Credit Crunch!

I will start by getting the Feel Good factor back via the stimulating the Brewery Economy!

Then I am going to build a stadium for St Helens but I will be the Chairman of the Stadium "Holding Company" that decides when they can or can't play if there is a conflict of interest!
I would guess that there will be quite a few conflict of interests!

Gash. Against a flat attack stands a chance (aka ex Bradford coaches), against a deep attack(everyone apart from Bradford exs coaches association more or less) with our current system totally exposed.

Ding Ding Round Five!

Does not go that far it was a TKO after tonight, RHJ never got off the stool.

Bailey was nowhere near the worst player out there today.

Never said he was, AJ deal with the issues.

He was shown up in defence mainly due to the fact the defensive tactic is to give his opposite number space.

The willing is there but with that system he does not stand a chance.

I took a panning last week but backed up my opinion which has held tonight, deal with the issues rather than trying to deflect from them.

From my viewpoint, the midfield defence was taking a caning and Bailey spent far more time than a centre should rushing infield to lend weight to that defence. This left us with alot of scramble to do outwide.

Got sick of him missing crucial tackles again against a 17 year old centre and getting caught out of position.

I do not think it his all his fault but if we continue to allow teams space to run at us we can only expect it.

He was awesome, I just feel so safe with him in the centres.

After starting over 60 games he has really proved himself.