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| Quote ="Arthur Warrior"I'd prefer second if possible. If we beat Hull then Leeds and Warrington drop points against Saints & Catalan we could finish second and avoid away games in the play offs.'"
Sorry mate, you're just too normal for this board!
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| Quote ="Arthur Warrior"I'd prefer second if possible. If we beat Hull then Leeds and Warrington drop points against Saints & Catalan we could finish second and avoid away games in the play offs.'"
Oh the audacity of wanting to finish as high as possible! Please leave.
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| Oh dear back to the league again, should we win, or should we not? Second, third, fourth, now where did I put mi slide rule and calculator?
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| I'm praying for a logical, sensible playoff format in 2015
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| Quote ="Dougy"I'm praying for a logical, sensible playoff format in 2015'"
I'm with you. The present set-up is a farce (and I say that even though the present system actually gives us a chance).
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| I've heard it's gonna be a top 4 playoff
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| Quote ="Dougy"I've heard it's gonna be a top 4 playoff'"
I heard that too. Very sensible. Straight 1st v 4th, 2nd v 3rd, then grand final. If we're having the 2x12 3x8 system, it seems the most logical choice. A top 6 system [icould[/i work, but having a top 8 system in that set up would be nothing short of idiotic.
With a top 4 sytem and therefore a shorter playoff series, the extra couple of weeks could be used for either a mini comp (Lancs v Yorks?) or an international series.
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| If it is a top 4 I'd go:
Week 1 (Qualifiers)
A - 1st v 2nd
B - 3rd v 4th
Week 2 (Final Eliminator)
C - Loser A v Winner B
Week 3 (Final)
D - Winner A v Winner C
It gives an obvious advantage to finishing in each position:
1st - One home game to get into the final with a week off to rest players. You also have a second chance if you lose in week 1.
2nd - Same as above but you're away in week 1.
3rd - You have to win twice in a row to make the final but at least you're at home in week 1.
4th - Same as above but you're away in week 1.
I'd definitely prefer either a top 4 or a top 5 play off system
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| Quote ="Grimmy"If it is a top 4 I'd go:
Week 1 (Qualifiers)
A - 1st v 2nd
B - 3rd v 4th
Week 2 (Final Eliminator)
C - Loser A v Winner B
Week 3 (Final)
D - Winner A v Winner C
It gives an obvious advantage to finishing in each position:
1st - One home game to get into the final with a week off to rest players. You also have a second chance if you lose in week 1.
2nd - Same as above but you're away in week 1.
3rd - You have to win twice in a row to make the final but at least you're at home in week 1.
4th - Same as above but you're away in week 1.
I'd definitely prefer either a top 4 or a top 5 play off system'"
I like this
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| Quote ="Bill Sonny"I like this'"
Me too. After being a touch skeptical at first over the 2x12 3x8 system, I've really started to warm to it. If we implement the playoff system that Grimmy suggests, I can see a lot of teams placing more emphasis on the start of the season allowing for a good build up towards the split and then the playoffs. Teams will be reluctant to have a bad start to the season and risk being out of the playoffs. Or worse, being in SL1B/2A (or whatever catchy name the RFL/Sky will undoubtably come up with). For the stronger teams like ourselves, Wire, Hudds, Leeds and Sts it will be a battle to finish in a high a position as possible and not play catch up to the others. I hadn't considered 1v2 and 3v4, but it does seem very logical as it allows Sky to have an extra week of playoff rugby that they wouldn't have under a straight 1v4 and 2v3 system. Plus, it would be mighty unfair to finish top, have a bad day at the office in week 1 and suddenly find yourself out of the title race.
Also, it would be interesting if they had the last round before the leagues split as the Magic weekend rather than have it as a seemingly arbitrary round mid season (granted the May bank holiday has been good timing weather-wise the past 2 years and I'm aware City's PL considerations would have to be taken into account too). Suddenly Bradford v Castleford actually has something riding on it, rather than the inevitable snoozefest it would otherwise have become.
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| Quote ="Bill Sonny"I like this'"
+1
It rewards the top most and the 2nd next.
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| Week 1
(A) 1 v 4
(B) 2 v 3
Week 2
Rest
Week 3
Winner (A) v Winner (B)
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| Quote ="Conroy"Week 1
(A) 1 v 4
(B) 2 v 3
Week 2
Rest
Week 3
Winner (A) v Winner (B)'"
I think Sky will want three weekends.
IF we rewarded the top 3 with a mini World Club Challenge v Aussie top 3 then under your system you could have the two losers from week 1 play off for that 3rd spot on week 2
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| Quote ="Conroy"Week 1
(A) 1 v 4
(B) 2 v 3
Week 2
Rest
Week 3
Winner (A) v Winner (B)'"
Not enough advantage to finishing top there IMO. Under my system they are guaranteed either a week off while everyone else plays, or a second chance if they lose. Under yours it's basically the same for all the top 4 teams and form will largely dictate who wins the trophy. For example under that system I'd want us to finish 4th rather than 2nd/3rd because it's a straight choice between playing Hudds or Leeds/Wire. Under mine I'd want us to finish 2nd so we can beat them and get straight to the final, or at least have a second chance at home to Leeds/Wire, who will have just knocked 7 bells out of each other.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I think Sky will want three weekends.
IF we rewarded the top 3 with a mini World Club Challenge v Aussie top 3 then under your system you could have the two losers from week 1 play off for that 3rd spot on week 2'"
That's the RU format and I'm a massive fan of it. The WCC idea would be good.
To add to the number of games you could even re-introduce the old Premiership for the sides lower down the table so they've always something to play for. (I'm against rewarding mediocrity though)
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Not enough advantage to finishing top there IMO. Under my system they are guaranteed either a week off while everyone else plays, or a second chance if they lose. Under yours it's basically the same for all the top 4 teams and form will largely dictate who wins the trophy. For example under that system I'd want us to finish 4th rather than 2nd/3rd because it's a straight choice between playing Hudds or Leeds/Wire. Under mine I'd want us to finish 2nd so we can beat them and get straight to the final, or at least have a second chance at home to Leeds/Wire, who will have just knocked 7 bells out of each other.'"
The advantage is that you have a home playoff against the lowest ranked team. Don't forget that the league could look very different under those rules and Hudds could indeed be 4th thus meaning you wanted to finish top. The two winners get a week off and so have no excuses come the final.
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| Quote ="Conroy"The advantage is that you have a home playoff against the lowest ranked team. Don't forget that the league could look very different under those rules and Hudds could indeed be 4th thus meaning you wanted to finish top. The two winners get a week off and so have no excuses come the final.'"
You get a home play off against the lower ranked team under the current system and teams aren't that bothered where they finish within the top 4, why would it change? Fair enough it gets rid of 4 teams which means teams will have to work hard for longer during the season for fear of missing out of the play offs, but later in the season there's no way they would be busting a gut to make the top 2 like they would under the system I propose. Home advantage is fine but we can see right now that it's not enough incentive on its own, otherwise we would be pushing for 2nd spot. I think the standings would look almost exactly the same under that system.
Under your system, once teams know they're in the top 4 (About 20 games in for some, which is handily just before the CC quarter finals) the top team would start resting players and focusing on the cup, and the other three would follow suit further along as they become safe. My way the top 4 teams will only start resting teams once they know whether they'll make the top 2 or not, which basically means one game if that. Right now we would be aiming to beat Hull and Leeds so we could finish 2nd rather than throwing in the under 19s.
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| It's good that the points accrued in the original 23 game regular season will be carried over into the top 8 split league. That's means that every single minute of every single game will count for something. Then we'll play the extra 7 games against the top 8 then the top 4 after what will be 30 league games will contest the playoffs.
I'm actually looking forward to 2015 and the return of every game mattering.
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| Quote ="Dougy"It's good that the points accrued in the original 23 game regular season will be carried over into the top 8 split league. That's means that every single minute of every single game will count for something. Then we'll play the extra 7 games against the top 8 then the top 4 after what will be 30 league games will contest the playoffs.
I'm actually looking forward to 2015 and the return of every game mattering.'"
Out of interest, what are the bottom 8 playing for? The top 8 are playing to be SL champions, the middle 8 play to be in the Super League, will the best bottom 8 team just be billed as friendlies? It's not like you can say the best of them won the Championship when they didn't even finish in the top 4 before the split.
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| With only a 12 team league then a top three play off at most!
League Leaders go straight to the GF,
Teams 2 & 3 play off for the other GF place.
A real advantage for the team who finishes top.
The play off game will be a sell out whereas with all the other formats the crowds will continue to decrease as they have done for years as no one is interested!
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Out of interest, what are the bottom 8 playing for? The top 8 are playing to be SL champions, the middle 8 play to be in the Super League, will the best bottom 8 team just be billed as friendlies? It's not like you can say the best of them won the Championship when they didn't even finish in the top 4 before the split.'"
I think they are having playoffs and a GF.
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| Quote ="Dougy"I think they are having playoffs and a GF.'"
I wonder what they'll name the trophy they get? Super League 3 trophy?
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| Are they charging half-price for tickets, seeing as only one club is fielding its first choice outfit?
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| Quote ="Scouse Pie2"Me too. After being a touch skeptical at first over the 2x12 3x8 system, I've really started to warm to it. If we implement the playoff system that Grimmy suggests, I can see a lot of teams placing more emphasis on the start of the season allowing for a good build up towards the split and then the playoffs. Teams will be reluctant to have a bad start to the season and risk being out of the playoffs. Or worse, being in SL1B/2A (or whatever catchy name the RFL/Sky will undoubtably come up with). For the stronger teams like ourselves, Wire, Hudds, Leeds and Sts it will be a battle to finish in a high a position as possible and not play catch up to the others. I hadn't considered 1v2 and 3v4, but it does seem very logical as it allows Sky to have an extra week of playoff rugby that they wouldn't have under a straight 1v4 and 2v3 system. Plus, it would be mighty unfair to finish top, have a bad day at the office in week 1 and suddenly find yourself out of the title race.
Also, it would be interesting if they had the last round before the leagues split as the Magic weekend rather than have it as a seemingly arbitrary round mid season (granted the May bank holiday has been good timing weather-wise the past 2 years and I'm aware City's PL considerations would have to be taken into account too). Suddenly Bradford v Castleford actually has something riding on it, rather than the inevitable snoozefest it would otherwise have become.'"
Funnily enough just independently came up with the same idea as grimmys in the other thread re play off series and for me that is the best format by far! I hope we go with this.
Leagues of 8 is also growing on me tbh but id like to see some way of still rewarding those in the division with something for the first 20 odd rounds. For me Id go with a simple handicapping system - 1st after the league split start with 8 points, 2nd - 7, down to 8th with 1. That means 8th would have to win 4 more games than 1st after the split to go above them- so while still a chance, it means it would be difficult and keeps a focus on the whole season.
I can't understand how the magic weekend is going to work though in the leagues of 8 thing tho as it makes the bulk of the season uneven. For me, it makes far more sense to have the magic weekend AFTER the split, to make it a fair split of 3 home and away games plus magic after the split, than some having 4 and some having 3.
I'd go 22 games (play each other twice) SPLIT Magic weekend to open split - 3 home / 3 away vs teams in your 8 THEN top 4 play off for champions! Makes far more sense!
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| Quote ="Grimmy"If it is a top 4 I'd go:
Week 1 (Qualifiers)
A - 1st v 2nd
B - 3rd v 4th
Week 2 (Final Eliminator)
C - Loser A v Winner B
Week 3 (Final)
D - Winner A v Winner C
It gives an obvious advantage to finishing in each position:
1st - One home game to get into the final with a week off to rest players. You also have a second chance if you lose in week 1.
2nd - Same as above but you're away in week 1.
3rd - You have to win twice in a row to make the final but at least you're at home in week 1.
4th - Same as above but you're away in week 1.
I'd definitely prefer either a top 4 or a top 5 play off system'"
Way too much common sense & logic being applied here.....the RFL would never go for it !
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