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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Then add Mossop, Hock and Farrell.'"
Farrell is already close to going past Hansen imo. |
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Isnt that exactly why he was only given a 1 year deal ?
Another good short term signing to give the youngsters another good pro to learn from. Takes the place of Bails for a season, and gives our homegrown pack another season to mature.
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| Quote ="JTB"Farrell is already close to going past Hansen imo.'"
Of all our young players I think Farrell has benefitted the most from this season. |
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I think the best 17 for nezt season will be:
1 Roberts
2 Goulding
3 Gleeson
4 Carmont
5 Richards
6 Sam
7 Finch
8 Fielden
9 Leuluai
10 Coley
11 Farrell
12 Joel
13 O'Loughlin
14 Lima
15 McIllorum
16 Mossop
17 Hoffman
The great thing about these signings is that they don't have to be on form straight away, because Deacon, Hansen and Prescott are all well capable of covering for them if they need to be dropped
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With Paddy out I think we will line up something like this next year...
1. Sam
2. Goulding
3. Gleeson
4. Carmont
5. Roberts
6. Finch
7. Deacon
8. Fielden
9. Leuluai
10. Lima
11. Hoffman
12. Joel
13. O'Loughlin
14. Prescott
15. Coley
16. McIllorum
17. Farrell
then we have the rest of the players....
18. Hansen
19. Mossop
20. O'Carroll
21. Davies
22. Tuson
23. Logan
24. Charnley
25. Marsh
26. Karl Pryce (Im guessing he will sign up)
27. Pat Richards (injured, no doubt superman will start)
28. Mellor
29. Jack Hughes
30. Powell
31. Hock
Not a bad squad is it? A certain Superman is a certainty to get back in the squad but no doubt madge will make him work. I can see O'Carroll going out on loan and maybe marsh/charnley
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JRD - What are your opinions on Lima not making the NZ squad? Especially with Moi Moi out now...
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Then add Mossop, Hock and Farrell.'"
It's amazing just how strong our 2nd row is. |
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That's a great, and very encouraging summary of them. Can't wait to see them in action!
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| Quote ="JRD"Although I know its been quite a while since Finch, Lima and Hoffman signed for you guys, I thought some around here might he interested in a some descriptions of your future players and I couldn't find an old thread to resurrect.
Obviously, people have probably already learned a far bit about these guys but I hope I might provide a degree of insight from my time in Melbourne.
Jeff Lima
An excellent signing for Wigan. Counter to what I've heard a number of people say, Lima is probably the best of the three. Where Hoffman and Finch are good players who have probably been flattered to an extent by the players around them in Melbourne, Lima is the opposite, largely unrecognised but a very vital player. Lima is one of the most underrated players in the NRL. Over the past four seasons, Lima has been Melbourne’s dominant prop and also one of the top props in the competition.
A reason for his low profile is the fact that Lima has no single facet of his game that is particularly impressing. Rather, he just does almost everything very well.
A solid and consistent meter-eater, Lima has no fear of hard-work and is almost always found taking the first few hit-ups of a set and really bends the line. A very good defender and a despite having a reputation as a grub, he receives very few penalties and drops very little ball. His style of play is very simple and he hardly ever offloads, preferring to play it safe and look for the quick PTB.
Over the last few years he has improved his fitness base and is capable of playing long minutes (although he often doesn’t).
2010 was a poor year by his own standards but hardly unexpected considering the Storm were playing for nothing. If Maguire can get Lima motivated he will be a massive addition to the forward pack.
Brett Finch
A versatile half who can play at scrum-half, stand-off or as a back-up hooker. He has played much of his career at scrum-half but his best footy has probably been played at stand-off at both Parramatta and Melbourne.
Solid in most aspects of his game, with his passing being a strong point. His ability to put teammates through holes is excellent and he can cause headaches taking on defenders one-on-one. In fact, he has quite a dangerous running game when he plays wider, which IMO he doesn’t utilize often enough.
On the downside, Finch can be prone to bursts of poor decision making. He is a player who needs space to play and can be put off his game when he is playing behind a beaten forward pack or against a fast moving defensive line. Probably his biggest weakness is his tendency to throw heavily telegraphed inside balls and the occasional hospital pass to his forwards.
His form over the last 2-3 years has been very good. The biggest question is how he will adjust to whatever role Maguire wants him to play. Over the last two years at Melbourne, he has flourished with less pressure as Cronk and Smith carry lion’s share of the kicking and organization of the team. This freedom has allowed him to slip under the radar and he has been a real game-breaker on a number of occasions.
Playing in Superleague, with the slower-moving defensive lines Finch should do very well, although I’m not certain he is the man to take over the role that Deacon played for you this year.
Ryan Hoffman
Hoffman is a player who could be a great success next year but it depends heavily on how he fits into the team.
At his best, Hoffman is arguably one of the best hole runners in the world. At club level, over the past 3-4 years, his ability to attack the fringes with clever lines and break open opposition teams off the Cronk short pass is staggering.
He has also shown the ball-skills to suck in defenders and pop on a quick pass or offload to a supporting player. But over the past year or two he has stopped looking for the pass as often and it has probably been to the detriment of his game.
His defense is solid and his discipline is good, although he tends to drop the pill at times.
His biggest weakness, however, is that Hoffman is quite a one-dimensional player. He excels in the Melbourne structure, playing with Cronk, however, his few forays into representative football have been very disappointing.
When he is not playing in a familiar environment he can be a bit wasted and often ends up getting smashed when he is asked to straighten the attack or be used as a battering-ram.
For Hoffman, a move to a new league is ideal; with many NRL teams learning how to counter his run by targeting him with big forwards the second he gets near the ball. With Maguire at the helm, Hoffman should get back to his best.'"
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Then add Mossop, Hock and Farrell.'"
6 into 2 wont go. Surely Wigan will have to get rid? |
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| Quote ="MacBlondie"6 into 2 wont go. Surely Wigan will have to get rid?'"
I'd call it 8 into 4:
O'Loughlin
Tomkins
Hoffman
Farrell
Hansen
Tuson
Mossop
Hock
But you're right, something has got to give. Even if Mossop and Hock move to prop, we have an embaressment of riches. |
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| Quote ="MacBlondie"6 into 2 wont go. Surely Wigan will have to get rid?'"
It's called squad rotation and it will probably keep us successful for the next five years.
As long as we are under the 'live' salary cap then we have no need to get rid. |
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| Quote ="RICHARD5LEGEND"JRD - What are your opinions on Lima not making the NZ squad? Especially with Moi Moi out now...'"
Very surprised. Lima, Asotasi and Moimoi are New Zealand's best props and without them the pack will be much weaker. Particularly since it will really lack a hard-working mule. Players like Waerea-Hargreaves and Nu'uausala will provide big tempo runs but they will be missing that solid platform that Lima and Asotasi lay. Kearney knows Lima very well from his time in Melbourne and has always indicated that he rates Lima very highly, so I suspect there is some other reason -whether injury or personal- for Lima being omitted.
Quote ="P-J"Can Finch kick? That's the area of the team that needs the most improvement. Deacon is obviously excellent at it, but we'd be mad to rely on him all next season.'"
Finch has a good kicking game without it being spectacular. The biggest thing is that he hasn't been kicking all that much over the past two seasons, so it may take a while for him to get back into the swing of things. |
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| Quote ="JTB"Farrell is already close to going past Hansen imo.'"
I'd say Farrell is past him already Dave although to be fair to HH he's had his fair share of injuries this year so its hard for him to be a consistent as he was last year. |
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Farrell is streets ahead of Hansen already in my eyes. His performances towards the end of the season where brilliant. Never seen anything like this from Hansen.
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I'd call it 8 into 4
However Hock will not be available untill the midle of the season and as this year has shown it is likely we will get some injuries. ie mossop and hansen have missed large parts. O'Loughlin issed games so as the seaso starts with 4 from 7 I think this gives great coverage. There might be an argument for a loan of Tuson on a weekly recall. But the main thing is there is going to be graet competition for places.
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I think the coaching staff are smart enough to deal with any problems. If we are getting a good run with injuries I wouldn't be surprised to see Tuson (for example) go out on a short term loan to give him regular matches.
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| Quote ="- Neil -"Farrell is streets ahead of Hansen already in my eyes. His performances towards the end of the season where brilliant. Never seen anything like this from Hansen.'"
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| Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"With Paddy out I think we will line up something like this next year...
1. Sam
2. Goulding
3. Gleeson
4. Carmont
5. Roberts
6. Finch
7. Deacon
8. Fielden
9. Leuluai
10. Lima
11. Hoffman
12. Joel
13. O'Loughlin
14. Prescott
15. Coley
16. McIllorum
17. Farrell
then we have the rest of the players....
18. Hansen
19. Mossop
20. O'Carroll
21. Davies
22. Tuson
23. Logan
24. Charnley
25. Marsh
26. Karl Pryce (Im guessing he will sign up)
27. Pat Richards (injured, no doubt superman will start)
28. Mellor
29. Jack Hughes
30. Powell
31. Hock
Not a bad squad is it? A certain Superman is a certainty to get back in the squad but no doubt madge will make him work. I can see O'Carroll going out on loan and maybe marsh/charnley'"
Oh my good god, that starting 13 is frighteningly good!!!! And look at the bench, that bench would walk into nearly every starting 13 in SL. Id expect Hock to be in the 17 after a few months aswell. |
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| Quote ="21-12"Oh my good god, that starting 13 is frighteningly good!!!! And look at the bench, that bench would walk into nearly every starting 13 in SL. Id expect Hock to be in the 17 after a few months aswell.'"
And to have Hansen and Mossop not even in the 17!
The strongest squad we've had for a long time. |
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| Quote ="Guerrier"And to have Hansen and Mossop not even in the 17!
The strongest squad we've had for a long time.'"
Id say its the strongest squad we have ever had in superleague. |
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| Quote ="Sharpy_4a"Id say its the strongest squad we have ever had in superleague.'"
and by some distance. |
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| Quote ="Sharpy_4a"Id say its the strongest squad we have ever had in superleague.'"
On paper id say its potentially the strongest squad put together ever in SL not just Wigans best. |
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Reading this just makes me want the season to start again already. Madge is going to have one hell of a (nice) headache in trying to select a team, but whereas injuries plagued us in the past, with this squad the strength in depth is there for all to see.
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