leave him out for friday.

let him have a long hard look at himself.

So is Mcguire getting away with taking out the Carmont?

It was a tackle off the ball. Not worthy of a one match ban. Correct decision.

Well some people seem to want Joel dropped, but if he's dropped we don't have a chance in hell of winning. Our pack is small, there's no real enforcer there and our backs do most of the hard work getting us up the field. Joel is the only player in the back row capable of making 100 metres plus during a game. O'Loughlin has on two occasions this year only because of a couple of clean breaks. Other than that his metres made are low. In terms of hard metres no one can get close to Joel which means he must be picked. Unfortunately we just don't have the strength in depth.

Did you watch the Bradford game? he was immense!!

Dropping him for Fridays game (our most important game of the season) we be laughable! Drop your best Second Row for having a brain fart and reacting badly to some kind of provocation! How about the coach just does his job and tries to coach that element from him, dropping him could seriously affect his confidence. If he was a fairy we would all be whinging at him to show some kind of aggression

If we stuck to this mentality then players like Joel, Gaz Hock etc would never play

2nd week in a row that he's given away a daft penalty on the last, near our line towards the end of the half.

how much have wigan paid to get that dirty t**t off

I agree, drop him, and Sam aswell for being his brother...

It's the right call.

It was a stupid thing to do, and probably deserved a yellow, but not worthy of a ban.

If he made contact with the head (I know its a big if) then we would not see him play again this season. Fans moan about Hocks brain farts, Joels last night was as daft as I have seen for a long time.

According to Phil Clarke on Sky last night,Joel is the most penalised player this year in Super League.

I fully agree, but he didn't make contact.

He didn't set out to kick him in order to injure him, it wasn't malicious at all just plain stupid, and it was rightly punished.

You don't know the rules do you? It's a yellow card offence. Find me an instance where the disciplinary has charged anyone for a professional foul. The RFL archive their disciplinary reviews on their website, so take as much time as you need.

I can believe that. He needs to sort that out, there's no doubt he's got plenty of ability. He could play a lot of Test rugby in the coming years, but we don't need to be giving the Aussies and Kiwis easy metres with daft penalties.

nd your a =#FF4000pack it in. Pemps arnt you? What message is it sending out that a player can take the man down without the ball and get away with it

Im pretty sure there would be uproar if it happened in the last few seconds of the grand final

No need to be rude. Pulling back a player off the ball isn't a red card offence, and has never to my knowledge been reviewed by the disciplinary. You can't "get away with it." It's a penalty and should be a yellow card.

As charming as your personal abuse is, you thought it was crazy that McGuire wasn't going before the disciplinary. I was merely pointing out that you didn't know the rules, as surely re-writing the rules mid-week to bring a yellow card offence to a disciplinary hearing would be much crazier?

As a neutral, I'd agree that Joel Tomkins has got attitude problems that need sorting; he's a talented but dirty barsteward and if he continues to develop the mentality of being able to dish it out but not take it, the old stagers of this world (like McGuire) will continue to target him.

It's a fine line between gifted and tish and both Tomkins brothers are yet to sort that out in their own heads imo; the pair of them cross the line very often and that's a real pity, as they are both exceptional prospects.

if you ask me both the tomkins brothers need a good decking to bring them back down to earth.

they are both SO easy to wind up and then they lose it which is not good for the team. as two of our great young playmakers you can understand the odd tantrum here and there, but of late, despite how good they both can be for various reasons and don't get me wrong i'm not saying they are not good players, i think they are both utter class but they just seem to think they are invincible and back themselves at every turn.

we could have had at least another 3 decent half chances at getting near the try line last night if it wasn't for sam being ball greedy. on one of the occasions in the first half, both carmont and pat would have been up against one leeds player who sam didn't suck in with his angled run. just pass the fookin ball!

carmont was livid with him and rightly so. we would also have been 18 nil up with a conversion to come in that instance.

not blaming them for the loss at all, thought it was a game worthy of the GF but still, every little thing contributes.

couldn't agree more, unfortunately.

I think a bit of experience will go a long way in that regard. They've both got plenty of ability, they both need to avoid believing their own hype too much and keep learning and they'll be alright.

[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=2235Baffled me this one[/url thought it was worse than Buderus'.

The details for charge seems pretty thorough.

They're obviously pretty happy that while he was in a dangerous position, he didn't endanger the safety of the attacker by losing control.

Agreed, but imo they dropped him into a worse position than Buderus did.

RFL charge Leeds Rhinos' Danny Buderus news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 994419.stm 'Wigan duo Joel Tomkins and Chris Tuson have received cautions after a review of the game'

RFL charge Leeds Rhinos' Danny Buderus news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 994419.stm 'Wigan duo Joel Tomkins and Chris Tuson have received cautions after a review of the game'