Can someone tell me what he brings to the team?

I appreciate we are up against it with injuries but I just don’t get what he adds.

His passing game is wildly inaccurate (that’s not just a comment on tonight).

He’s got a good few unforced errors in him.

He doesn’t direct the team.

For every good kick he does, something he was hyped for, he must do 5 poor kicks.

I can’t remember any player in their entire career put as many kicks out on the full, as Smith has in his short career to date.

Makes poor decisions in defence and even when he doesn’t he still struggles because of his lack of physicality.

I know he’s only young but almost all of the above is a basic expectation of a half back. I’m genuinely struggling to think of a worse 7 in SL outside Leigh.

When we’re only coming away from a game like that with great field position, forwards actually making yards and sort of setting a platform, and numerous repeat sets, it indicates massive issues in the halves which I personally put down to our coaching & the shape we carry.

Very inconsistent but he did set up both of our tries tonight.

Think he's carrying a lot of responsibility for someone who has never yet really proved himself.

The sooner Hastings is back in the halves, the better.

Maybe it would help him if he was playing alongside Hastings instead of someone who offers zero in attack

For me the only time hes looked anywhere near ready is when hes been partnered by Hastings,other than that I just dont see what people see in him just yeti used to watch him in the academy and he could kick goals for fun even that seems to have deserted him at present,still young so plenty of time for him I suppose.

That makes 2 of the current halves who offer 0 in attack.

Lam stated players will be “rested” against Leigh. I expect Smith must be one of them.

Even if we had no players back I’d rather run with Hanley at 1 and TL and Hastings in the halves than run with Smith.

Simply not.good enough

People forget he’s 21 with limited first team experience. He’s expected to lead us around the park, set up plays, organise attach, kick, kick goals, get players where he wants them. He’s doing that with a ghost alongside him in Tommy. Throw in the pack ineffectiveness and it quickly becomes apparent he is on a hiding to nothing.

He set up both tries for us tonight which IMO were excellent. I’d love to see Smith under a coach like Holbrook.

Don’t throw in the towel on him yet. What we’re expecting him to do is similar to putting a nail in with a blow up hammer.

If we’re resting v Leigh I expect a loss.

Hardaker will be against Leyth
Put Hastings at HB drop/rest TL and Powell and play the 2 young guys at hooker

Unfair, Smith has played behind a beaten pack most weeks. How many folk believe half backs can produce their best behind a beaten pack? His half back partner is too slow and should have retired end of 2020. Smith is also trying to make things happen with all these matters against him. He's working with one of the most useless coaches Wigan have had in SL. Thankfully Smith is going nowhere.

I think the resting comment was made by Lam as a nice way of saying players will be dropped.

Funnily enough after tonight only one of our halfbacks from today is in the top 10 in Superleague for setting up tries - Harry Smith. The other halfback doesn't even register in the top 20 and the stats stop after that.

He's being asked to carry a team behind a beaten pack most weeks with zero help from his considerably more experienced partner. Maybe we should change the name in the title?

Agree with this. Too much pressure and expectation on him at the moment.

The coach doesn’t come up with poor reads in defence and consistently pass the ball totally inaccurately, put the ball out on the full regularly.

The errors he is making are not complex they are very basic skills.

If it was Jai Field making the same mistakes he would be crucified.

I believe at the moment Smith and Powell are killing us with their failure to control/direct play, their passing accuracy and their lack of threat.

I'm not disagreeing with you (although I still think there's a decent player there), but Lam keeps sending him out there week after week, regardless of performance or improvements. Hanley had a very solid game Vs Hudds and that was the opportunity to move JH back to 6.

He's killing us with stuff like that and I think he's killing the players too.

I agree I think Hanley played well and was surprised not to see him play tonight given the form of our halves.

What concerns me about Lam is the fact he has been bigging up Smith trying to justify the Hastings to 1 move despite the fact he had been poor.

Spot on, to TL. At least Harry Smith tries to be creative, (see Liam Marshalls 2nd try)., and does have failings in his game, but someone tell me what TL brings to the team to avoid criticism that HS receives ?

That's one of my main gripes wth Lam. He seems unable/unwilling to change course, stubborn even. The Hastings @FB thing is just one example. His selection of Clubb and non selection of Clarke is another. We don't even need to talk about Hankinson either.

I said it a few weeks ago but it’s clearly a pure lack of confidence and/or belief in what he’s being asked to do. The Harry Smith we’re seeing now isn’t the one that burst onto the scene.

As it happens I agree with your Jai Field point.

Tommy needs dropping ASAP. JH into the halves and Hanley FB.

I felt bad for Smith tonight, I know someone mentioned about being behind a beaten pack, I didnt think that was an issue tonight, but you had a very rigid plan of attack, going at our right edge, and some of his passes, and passes to him weren't accurate.

Not as bad as the game at your place.

Meanwhile leuluai was nowhere to be seen

Just as an aside, wtf were you doing going down our right, we had a prop with crap cardio on the left

Needs a few weeks out the fire and has done for a while. I feel for him, as having to play on the back of that front row all season is enough to ruin any young halves career but he’s also playing under Lam and when you add them together, he’s on a hiding to nothing.

I just hope he can bounce back from this season because once your confidence goes as a young halfback and you have a tough time, it’s not easy to bounce back.

People getting on a rookie half back whose being asked to run the show.

Yet our experienced captain goes has been missing all year.

Weird.

Harry is not the main problem for me.
If we put a fullback at full back and our best half in the halves then it may help him a little. We could also have took the pressure off his kicking by letting Hastings kick. He has no threat by his side bothhTommy or Powell offer almost nothing to open teams up. You can get away with them if you have French out the back along with Hastings as a playmaker but it would be better if we only had one bon at a time for me. I'm fine with Powell at hooker for 80, if we had French Hastings and maybe field. Though can you imagine if we ha a little more from 9.
I thought Singleton played well if anything the forwards laid more than enough to play behind