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| Another game we should win but we’ll probably have to improve from last Sunday, can’t imagine Leeds will put in another performance that bad. Can’t imagine many changes but hopefully we can put out something like this
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| So much up in the air with injuries. I don’t think Lockers injuries ever end up being one week jobs, so I’ll presume he’s out. If French could manage 70 mins I’m hoping he’ll be ok. A rolled ankle may be ok for Leuluai if that’s all it is.
Going on that guesswork, I’d go-
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Manfredi Hardaker Bibby Marshall
Hastings Smith
Bullock Powell Byrne
Isa Farrell Smithies
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I’d give Greenwood a shot and hope we see a lad determined to get a place in the team. If he’s true to his word he’ll come out to prove a point.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"So much up in the air with injuries. I don’t think Lockers injuries ever end up being one week jobs, so I’ll presume he’s out. If French could manage 70 mins I’m hoping he’ll be ok. A rolled ankle may be ok for Leuluai if that’s all it is.
Going on that guesswork, I’d go-
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Manfredi Hardaker Bibby Marshall
Hastings Smith
Bullock Powell Byrne
Isa Farrell Smithies
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Havard Clark Greenwood Leuluai
I’d give Greenwood a shot and hope we see a lad determined to get a place in the team. If he’s true to his word he’ll come out to prove a point.'"
I was saying the same thing about Greenwood to my sons after the game on Friday.
Like you I'd like to see him turn it around however, his track record doesn't bore well.
If French is injured I hope that Hanley may get a chance or play Marshall FB and bring in J Burgess on the wing. I know that Marshall last season played the FB role in training.
Interesting to see no G Burgess in your 17
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| If Lockers, Clubb, Tommy, Gildart and French are out with George Burgess and Oli P banned
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| Quote ="NSW"If Lockers, Clubb, Tommy, Gildart and French are out with George Burgess and Oli P banned
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Clark
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Smithies'"
Not what I would go with re my earlier post but think that you will be probably nearer the point than myself.
Bibby and Hankinson together seems very leightweight and lacking in pace though
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Interesting to see no G Burgess in your 17'"
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"I was saying the same thing about Greenwood to my sons after the game on Friday.
Like you I'd like to see him turn it around however, his track record doesn't bore well.
If French is injured I hope that Hanley may get a chance or play Marshall FB and bring in J Burgess on the wing. I know that Marshall last season played the FB role in training.
Interesting to see no G Burgess in your 17'"
Hanley isn't ready for this level yet. I'd bring Joe Burgess into the squad if French is unfit.
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| This game is now on Sunday, still 6.30pm kick-off.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"This game is now on Sunday, still 6.30pm kick-off.'"
No thought or concern for the fans
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"No thought or concern for the fans'"
I think it is a sensible, decisive move that SL have made rearranging the fixtures.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"No thought or concern for the fans'"
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I think it is a sensible, decisive move that SL have made rearranging the fixtures.'"
Why do you think that?
SL should have followed the NRL's lead and had all teams & player's following a stringent lockdown process.
That would have been a sensible and decisive move - not moving a fixture by 24hrs... seeing that the current recommended isolation period is now 10 days it doesn't make any sense as we are still in a 7 day window.
Every year that passes the RFL & SL turns into more and more of joke sport.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"Why do you think that?
SL should have followed the NRL's lead and had all teams & player's following a stringent lockdown process.
That would have been a sensible and decisive move - not moving a fixture by 24hrs... seeing that the current recommended isolation period is now 10 days it doesn't make any sense as we are still in a 7 day window.
Every year that passes the RFL & SL turns into more and more of joke sport.'"
I think they are two separate issues. They've done the only thing they could do with regards to rearranging the fixtures and keeping the season going. Those online who are throwing a hissy fit and demanding the season be cancelled aren't living in the real world - cancel the season and the sport is on death's door.
I do agree that there should be tougher restrictions on players with regards to social and leisure activities but the concept of a 'bubble' is illogical. What about food and medicine? What about the lives of family members?
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| Given the circumstances presented to them now, I think they’ve made the right call on moving swiftly to rearrange fixtures. They have to look at stricter measures being put on players going forward though if they’re to avoid more and more of these issues.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Given the circumstances presented to them now, I think they’ve made the right call on moving swiftly to rearrange fixtures. They have to look at stricter measures being put on players going forward though if they’re to avoid more and more of these issues.'"
Agreed. I don't think we can be too harsh because a lot of them aren't being paid enough to justify the sacrifice, but I don't think telling them to stay out of bars etc is too much to ask to save the sport
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| Quote ="MadDogg"I think they are two separate issues. They've done the only thing they could do with regards to rearranging the fixtures and keeping the season going. Those online who are throwing a hissy fit and demanding the season be cancelled aren't living in the real world - cancel the season and the sport is on death's door.
I do agree that there should be tougher restrictions on players with regards to social and leisure activities but the concept of a 'bubble' is illogical. What about food and medicine? What about the lives of family members?'"
I don't understand what difference the extra 24hrs will make tho? If that then took them out of 10 day recommended window then it would make sense, but it doesn't - it puts them at 8 days.
In regards to the bubble - I have no idea how it works. All I know is that the NRL have put really tight protocols (think they've called it Apollo) in place and it's worked. I know the Storm & NZ are based in hotels/outside of their normal locations, but as far as I'm aware all other players are living at their homes.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"I don't understand what difference the extra 24hrs will make tho? If that then took them out of 10 day recommended window then it would make sense, but it doesn't - it puts them at 8 days.
In regards to the bubble - I have no idea how it works. All I know is that the NRL have put really tight protocols (think they've called it Apollo) in place and it's worked. I know the Storm & NZ are based in hotels/outside of their normal locations, but as far as I'm aware all other players are living at their homes.'"
I'm not sure what you mean with the 24 hours - Salford and Hull have been taken out of action and the other clubs go on normal as far as I'm aware (providing the testing is all clear). The Wigan game has been postponed 24 hours presumably to give Sky 2 games on the Saturday and 2 games on the Sunday.
I don't think the COVID regulations for the two leagues are directly comparable - there have been far less cases in Australia and the recent outbreak is mainly confined to Victoria. Plus NRL players/coaches have been breaching protocol - it just looks like they were lucky in doing so that they didn't become infected and transmit it onwards. Plus even if players behave perfectly, a legitimate 'bubble' would essentially mean food is delivered to players' homes and they aren't allowed outside for fresh air/exercise outside of training and games. I would be stunned if that was the case in Australia - I doubt it is practical or reasonable.
Adam Pearson has been on the radio saying the original infection was likely caught by a player who went to hospital with a sick child (I'm sure no-one would argue that is an essential journey). What didn't sound great was the player coming into training already presenting with symptoms - as soon as that happens its common sense to stay home. All it takes is one mistake and big problems can occur.
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| Having two games Saturday and two Sunday will help avoid the ridiculous situation of teams sharing changing facilities on the same day as well. If that was an issue at Headingley, with two stadiums on site, then I shudder to think what the arrangements are at Saints and Wire. One bar of soap between all 10 teams maybe.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"I'm not sure what you mean with the 24 hours - Salford and Hull have been taken out of action and the other clubs go on normal as far as I'm aware (providing the testing is all clear). The Wigan game has been postponed 24 hours presumably to give Sky 2 games on the Saturday and 2 games on the Sunday.
I don't think the COVID regulations for the two leagues are directly comparable - there have been far less cases in Australia and the recent outbreak is mainly confined to Victoria. Plus NRL players/coaches have been breaching protocol - it just looks like they were lucky in doing so that they didn't become infected and transmit it onwards. Plus even if players behave perfectly, a legitimate 'bubble' would essentially mean food is delivered to players' homes and they aren't allowed outside for fresh air/exercise outside of training and games. I would be stunned if that was the case in Australia - I doubt it is practical or reasonable.
Adam Pearson has been on the radio saying the original infection was likely caught by a player who went to hospital with a sick child (I'm sure no-one would argue that is an essential journey). What didn't sound great was the player coming into training already presenting with symptoms - as soon as that happens its common sense to stay home. All it takes is one mistake and big problems can occur.'"
I mean moving the Wigan game back by 24hrs. If it's done for the TV then that's fine. I just assumed it was for safety pov, which didn't make sense.
The situation is different now, but how long has the NRL being going for? 10 weeks perhaps, so it was the same back then for them as it is now.
The main difference and the point I'm trying to put forward is that the NRL have put protocols in place to safeguard against things like this happening. Players might break the rules, but at least there's something in place to punish them with.
Again I'm not 100% sure on the details, but are are definitely in lockdown & bubbles - no bars, beaches, golf, coffee shops or restaurants etc. Seibold broke out of his bubble to deal with family issues and will need to self isolate for 2 weeks before he can return. Alfie Langer was caught having a few scoops with friends and was stood down for 2 weeks. [urlhttps://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/news/nrl-coronavirus-arlc-annouces-return-to-original-apollo-protocols-for-non-queensland-teams-as-covid-19-cases-spike/147g2nnx2pgrt16ec4wezlp241[/url.
I don't think it's too much to ask to put something similar in place here. Perfect example is with the guy from Hull - If that was the NRL then he'd have been told to lockdown for 2 weeks as he'd been to the hospital. None of this would have happened if we did the same.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"I mean moving the Wigan game back by 24hrs. If it's done for the TV then that's fine. I just assumed it was for safety pov, which didn't make sense.
The situation is different now, but how long has the NRL being going for? 10 weeks perhaps, so it was the same back then for them as it is now.
The main difference and the point I'm trying to put forward is that the NRL have put protocols in place to safeguard against things like this happening. Players might break the rules, but at least there's something in place to punish them with.
Again I'm not 100% sure on the details, but are are definitely in lockdown & bubbles - no bars, beaches, golf, coffee shops or restaurants etc. Seibold broke out of his bubble to deal with family issues and will need to self isolate for 2 weeks before he can return. Alfie Langer was caught having a few scoops with friends and was stood down for 2 weeks. [urlhttps://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/news/nrl-coronavirus-arlc-annouces-return-to-original-apollo-protocols-for-non-queensland-teams-as-covid-19-cases-spike/147g2nnx2pgrt16ec4wezlp241[/url.
I don't think it's too much to ask to put something similar in place here. Perfect example is with the guy from Hull - If that was the NRL then he'd have been told to lockdown for 2 weeks as he'd been to the hospital. None of this would have happened if we did the same.'"
I think all of that is spot on. As I said I do think there should be tougher restrictions on social and leisure activities and it would definitely have been sensible to ask a player to quarantine after a hospital visit. Probably my mistake associating your comment about an NRL player lockdown with some comments on social media complaining that the NRL have eradicated any risk of infection with bio-secure bubbles. Bubbles dont exist in this context and regardless of player's engagement in social activities there is always a risk as players and their families have to carry out essential activities outside of the sport.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Hanley isn't ready for this level yet. I'd bring Joe Burgess into the squad if French is unfit.'"
Rouges obviously I appreciate your knowledge on the youngsters so what in your opinion does Hanley lack at the moment? Strength, defence?
Im probably guilty of hoping that the lad is ready rather than him being ready. I thought that he could play a similar role to French and keep some consistency in our approach of using French as our main threat in broken play.
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| No SOL again.
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| Quote ="NSW"No SOL again.'"
Always tends to be at least a month before you see him again when those dodgy calves/hamstrings go.
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| Be a real tough game this after their hiding last week I think.
At the minute with the restart I'm just happy to get the result and see an improvement on last week. Similar to the start of the season.
I think the ideal time to be hitting our straps would be the end of September (the new end of August basically) but as I've said elsewhere I still fear that our pack just isn't up to it.
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