Just going over a few from the season so far.

I’ve seen throughout the forum on different topics, that fans expect better from the players, but I think the stats I’ll show, show we are actually performing very well, I believe the problem is the killer/final ball to provide the try.

[uTotal Points[/u
1 - St Helens - 389
2 - Hull Kingston Rovers - 340
3 - Wigan - 332
4 - Castleford - 311
5 - Harlequins - 311

[uTries[/u
1 - St Helens - 74
2 - Wigan - 62
3 - Hull Kingston Rovers - 59
4 - Castleford - 57
5 - Warrington - 54

[uMetres[/u
1 - Wigan - 19243
2 - St Helens - 18515
3 - Warrington - 17631
4 - Castleford - 17581
5 - Hull - 17561

[uOffloads[/u
1 - Wigan - 215
2 - Leeds - 175
3 - St Helens - 169
4 - Huddersfield - 154
5 - Celtic Crusaders - 151

[uTackle Busts[/u
1 - St Helens - 415
2 - Wigan - 394
3 - Leeds - 354
4 - Hull - 352
5 - Castleford - 343

[uMarker Tackles[/u
1 - Wigan - 593
2 - Warrington - 564
3 - Hull Kingston Rovers - 542
4 - Leeds - 534
5 - Bradford - 521

[uClean Breaks[/u
1 -Wigan - 80
2 - Leeds - 71
3 - St Helens - 71
4 - Castleford - 68
5 - Warrington - 64

[uMissed Tackles[/u
1 - St Helens - 30
2 - Wigan - 25
3 - Warrington - 21
4 - Bradford - 20
5 - Castleford - 20

[uErrors[/u
1 - Wigan - 174 - Hock, Fielden and O'Loughlin account for about 173 I imagine


2 - Leeds - 171
3 - Bradford - 169
4 - St Helens - 168
5 - Huddersfield - 166

[uPenalties[/u
1 - Catalans - 106
2 - Leeds - 102
3 - Huddersfield - 100
4 - Salford - 90
5 - Celtic Crusaders - 86
6 - Wigan - 83

I think the stats show for themselves we are performing well, a lot jump on the 'Noble Out' bandwagon due to our position in the league standings. But say we’d of won the games we only just lost like the:

Wakefield 12-6
Hull FC 18-10
Castleford 28-22
St Helens 19-12
Hull KR 20-12

All games that we could and probably should of won, say we’d of won them and won the one’s we have so far, were would we have been? 1st



Noble is doing a great job with the club, but consistency is our killer. We don’t have it at all, but once we do, we’ll by far be a top end fighting team with the current squad list and the bringing in of a new W/C prop and half-back can only make us far stronger.

People are also jumping on the Aussies back already, as mentioned by many, remember Pat’s shocking first season

Riddell, Roberts they need time, and I’m sure we’ll see their qualities soon enough.

The youngsters debate we really don’t know the ins and out’s do we, we can only speculate, are Sam Tomkins and Shaun Ainscough not playing because if they play a number of games their wage is increased they receive a bonus, is it because IL wants to see the Aussies he’s paid ££ for in the squad. We really don’t know, but Wigan as one hell of a future with not just them two but with Mossop, Davies, Thornley, Flanagan.

This shows, that A we have played more games than anyone but B we are clearly trying to play some attacking rugby. Our defence at times can be amazing but we let in sloppy tries. We have not been as far off as most people say, however to be a top side you have to battle through the close games, by the looks of those scores we are not doing this well at all.

Yet this is the only stat that matters.

1 St Helens 13 10 0 3 389 244 20
2 Hull KR 13 9 1 3 340 229 19
3 Leeds 13 9 0 4 303 189 18
4 Harlequins RL 12 8 0 4 311 231 16
5 Huddersfield 13 8 0 5 294 237 16
6 Wakefield 13 7 0 6 298 277 14
7 Hull 13 7 0 6 272 258 14
8 Castleford 13 7 0 6 311 321 14
9 Wigan 14 6 0 8 332 287 12

Wigan have played 2 games more than Quins & Bulls, and 1 game more than the rest.

It's a point I've been making for a while. We're not that far off the pace. However there are so many doom mongers and pessimists on here who would rather be negative and moan. What will they do when we actually win something.

I suspect they are really Saints supporters, part of agent Millwards army.

They show that simply we have to improve our defence and our composure in close games.

We've lost the majority of tight affairs this year and when we have won we've won well.

I know that, but you work out the average for the per game of each and add them on to the other teams, we stay in the same place for most.

and yes the league show 9th place, but out of them 5 games, the 3 we should of defo won being wakefield, castleford and stains at home, that would be a whole different ball game, of course we have to deal with were we are now. But we still have a chance at all three types of silverware.

but noble has to be the way forward for the club, these two new signings are going to be well worked out by IL like the Gleeson signing, we just need consistency, but were does it come from?? once we have it top 3 again.

Personally i don't care about stats. We could be top of the stats table in every category but i want us to win games, we seem to be inept at doing that on a regular basis which is unacceptable. I'm sick of hearing we were unlucky this week, if only this had gone in our favour then it would have been different. Its becoming boring.

Paper bag defence and clueless attack in the early rounds and unforced errors throughout are a big factor methinks.

think you wastd your time mate typing all them stats out!


pointless saying if we;d won games we should have, bottom line is we didnt!!!

end of day the only stat that matters is were currently 9th in the league.not good enough for wigan rl!

I agree with this but as you know i think that on top of 2 new players a new coach will be the difference between us consistntly getting on pace and not.

Nope, are you expecting Warrington to score more than 10 trys in their next game to make that even|?

Stats have been adjusted as if all clubs had played 13 games.

Unforced errors and lack of discipline is the reason why we are were we are today. Cut out the needless penalties and the suicidal off loads and we won't be far off the pace.

All impressive stats...


...but, we're still 9th in the league after playing at least 1 more game than everyone else. If everyone below us wins their games in hand we'd be joint 10th with Warrington.

Stats are fine but in real terms they are virtually meaningless.

For example :- Gleeson and Carmont may have missed one tackle each in both games against Hull KR and Wakefield - stats say they are performing the same.

In real terms Gleeson missed his tackles in both games in the opposing sides 25 and Carmont missed two in his own 25 that both led to tries - I think everyone can see which are the most important missed tackles.

The only stat that matters and cannot be misinterpreted or manipulated is played 14 lost 8.

(nb. stats used are an example only and do not reflect actual stats before someone corrects me)

It is simply a matter of opinion really isn't it.

If I were being cynical, I would say that those stats show that Wigan have some serious deep-rooted issues to have performed so well in many areas yet still lie 9th in the table having played more games than anybody else.

If I were coaching Wigan, I would be reinforcing the players self belief that those stats show that we are a good team who are capable of beating anybody but we need to work a lot harder in defence and capitlise on our scoring chances. There are plenty of games left and if we get the defence straightened out we'll be looking at a top 4 finish and then anything can happen.

The stats show it's our error count that is letting us down.
Noble has been saying all season we need to respect possession and keep the ball more.
Errors more than penalties appear to be more of a problem.
Not sure I agree that we are not far off, we need a minimum of two players of real quality and salary cap space needs to be created so the right signings can be made.
We cannot win the tight games when we are playing well. The team is not out of form and are very hard working but we are still not winning.
I do think we are still some way off winning trophies.
Saying that I'm not full of doom. If those signings can be made then we will have a real chance of silverware.
Ian Lenagan said when he arrived that he felt we could only judge him and his management from 2010 onwards.
We are a better team now than when he bought the club. The quality and style of Rugby is far better than for years. Two or three quality signings and we may well be able to compete for trophies once more.
We are getting there but not there yet!

Thanks for those stats. Useful guide.

Is is crucial to cross referance stats with performance, i am certain if you looked at the games individually with the same stats you would see 1 or 2 that squeue the totals of the stats drastically, ie Bradford.

You have to use stats in conjunction with performnce not as a stand alone analysis, and the simple fct is generlly the performances have been poor to average.

I also do wonder about the validity of some of these stats as they do seem to be throwing back some odd returns in some weeks when looking at individual performances.

I think the key has been the bounce of the ball. Loosing to Hull KR hurt but when you look at it we lost by 8 points, to a team that are sh*t hot at the minute and arguably the form team of the comp.

6 of those points where down to a charge down, that ball bounces the other way into touch, or Smith kicks earlier and we are 2 points behind. Silverwood hears the hooter and knock another 6 points of that, we are leading by 4.

I know its all if's and buts, and I'm not saying we should have won the game but for me its not really that disapointing to lose to the team pushing for top on pure luck, rewind 8 games and the majority of us would be chuffed with the performance. Which, credit to Noble and the lads, shows how far we have come in only a few games.

The stats are interesting, and show how good we can be, but it doesn't change the fact that we where awful at the beggining of the season and everybody else has a atleast a game in hand over us! It's going to be a hard season to rescue, and we need to be higher up to have a chance in the play-off's, however I don't see why we can't be pushing for that.

We could do with starting by demolishing Wire

We are the 'New Entertainers'.

Generally agree with this. I was one of the whingers last season but this season - league position notwithstanding - we are far better to watch and I am enjoying the rugby more than last year.

In terms of current form we are right up there with HKR but what we need now more than ever is to put a 7 or 8 game streak together. With the competition evening out (or dumbing down, take your pick) the line between success and failure is finer than ever.

I couldn't agree more. As someone else said the only stat that matters is the league table and we are 9th having played at least one more game than everyone else.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THE ONLY STAT THAT MATTERS IS THE LEAGUE TABLE.

And that only matters at the end of the season.