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| Wigan fans are backing the local lads (Tomkins and Ainscough) to be are new heroes. We have 2 crackers and there are many more behind them.
Along the way they have made a few mistakes in the last 2 matches.
So far they have gone unpunished in that we have won our last 2 games.
They are young lads and there will come a time when they cock up and lose us a game. Dont hang them for it. We need to develop our youngsters for the long game.
Fans, Nobby please take note.
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| Quote ="EastStandFaithful"Wigan fans are backing the local lads (Tomkins and Ainscough) to be are new heroes. We have 2 crackers and there are many more behind them.
Along the way they have made a few mistakes in the last 2 matches.
So far they have gone unpunished in that we have won our last 2 games.
They are young lads and there will come a time when they cock up and lose us a game. Dont hang them for it. We need to develop our youngsters for the long game.
Fans, Nobby please take note.'"
Everyone will make mistakes, no matter how good of player they may be they are only human after all. The important thing is that we should get behind them and try not to criticise much, their development into SL players is dependable on coaching yes, but also how the fans react to their mistakes.
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| That's why Nobby has said he'd pick and choose their games, Tomkins will more than likely not start next week.
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| Why shouldn't he start? He has clearly earned a start next week.
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| Quote ="NickNJ"That's why Nobby has said he'd pick and choose their games, Tomkins will more than likely not start next week.'"
Leeds away will be a massive test for them. Can they handle it? I've no doubts whatsoever that they can. I'd like to see Sam start again next week, he didn't put a foot wrong tonight nor did Ainscough.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"Why shouldn't he start? He has clearly earned a start next week.'"
The Leeds pack is different to that of Bradfords, tonight he was the focal point for their attack (even though he defended well). Tomkins will be England No. 7 eventually but Nobby will be weary of throwing him in against Leeds from the off, maybe off the bench.
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| I cant see why Nobby would bring back Smith who is weak defensively and not as good offensively as Sam.
I can see that we may need to rest our youngsters occasionally to avoid burn out but see no reason to rest them for Leeds.
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| He played Coyle against Leeds so he should play Tomkins, he would do better than Smith.
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| His defence was solid and showed that he can stand up to the big runners. He should start against Leeds. Now is the time to see what he is made of. He looks like he has the composure to cope. Please don't wrap him up in cotton wool otherwise he will never learn his trade.
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| Quote ="EastStandFaithful"I cant see why Nobby would bring back Smith who is weak defensively and not as good offensively as Sam.
I can see that we may need to rest our youngsters occasionally to avoid burn out but see no reason to rest them for Leeds.'"
I don't believe in burn-out so I ain't buying into that. They play for their places, if and when Sam has a quieter game (which believe it or not will happen) and Smith is "on-fire" for the reserves then Smith would deserve a shot back in the first team.
Noble has quite clearly said he will pick on form. Therefore Tomkins and Ainscough for the forseeable future should be in the first team.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"He played Coyle against Leeds so he should play Tomkins, he would do better than Smith.'"
IIRC there was a game at Leeds last year when Sam could have been played. He wasn't.
I think the kid did fantastic tonight, give him another chance, but both he and Ainscough looked as if they picked up knocks / bangs. I'll de wishing for more of the same next week, I like my trips to Headingley, although the last was for cricket!
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| Quote ="endoman"IIRC there was a game at Leeds last year when Sam could have been played. He wasn't.
I think the kid did fantastic tonight, give him another chance, but both he and Ainscough looked as if they picked up knocks / bangs. I'll de wishing for more of the same next week, I like my trips to Headingley, although the last was for cricket!'"
They shouldnt be given chances, they should be given first team rugby. They have proved they can cut it at first team level. They should be on a par with the rest of the squad now and picked on form as Nobby said would happen.
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| Thats exactly it, kids struggle for consistency and Tomkins so far is excellent while smith has struggled. It's about competition for places and Smith will come good no doubt. Our squad depth looks very good, it's taken a good few years for Noble to stamp his mark and I think this is the first year in a long time where we're in with a sniff come October.
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| Quote ="NickNJ"Thats exactly it, kids struggle for consistency and Tomkins so far is excellent while smith has struggled. It's about competition for places and Smith will come good no doubt. Our squad depth looks very good, it's taken a good few years for Noble to stamp his mark and I think this is the first year in a long time where we're in with a sniff come October.'"
We have been last 2 years also, we need to get into the top 2 and thats not gonna happen this year.
All the problems or rather some of them are not solved just because we have had one good performance, we still have so many average players.
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| Quote ="NickNJ"Thats exactly it, kids struggle for consistency and Tomkins so far is excellent while smith has struggled. It's about competition for places and Smith will come good no doubt. Our squad depth looks very good, it's taken a good few years for Noble to stamp his mark and I think this is the first year in a long time where we're in with a sniff come October.'"
IMO we've always been in with a sniff in the past 2 seasons, all we've lacked is that extra umph to get us there. Let's not start getting carried away, after all it was just one game, one good performance.
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| Sam should be one of the first players down on the team sheet for Leeds, he has proved he can handle super league and we have looked so much better when he’s on the pitch. If he’s not picked I will question Nobles choice and expect an answer.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"We have been last 2 years also, we need to get into the top 2 and thats not gonna happen this year.
All the problems or rather some of them are not solved just because we have had one good performance, we still have so many average players.'"
I think those average players ie. Mathers, Coley, Smith, Phelps will find themselves more and more in the reserve team squad, with well deserving youngsters having thier chance.
Sam and Ainscough have proved its achievable, now lets see the others force their way into the first team.
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"I don't believe in burn-out so I ain't buying into that. They play for their places, if and when Sam has a quieter game (which believe it or not will happen) and Smith is "on-fire" for the reserves then Smith would deserve a shot back in the first team.
Noble has quite clearly said he will pick on form. Therefore Tomkins and Ainscough for the forseeable future should be in the first team.'"
I respect your view but dont agree about burn out. Even the legend S Edwards was eased into the game at wing.
Alex Ferguson eases youngsters into football to avoid burn out and that is football. Rugby is far more brutal. Too many forwards running at Sam wll take its toll.
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"I think those average players ie. Mathers, Coley, Smith, Phelps will find themselves more and more in the reserve team squad, with well deserving youngsters having thier chance.
Sam and Ainscough have proved its achievable, now lets see the others force their way into the first team.'"
We need to get rid of them and replace them all with 1-2 world class players who could make a difference, we could then use our young players as replacements when injuries occur, we would then get to see the best players earlier.
Imagine is players like Ainscough and Tomkins had been given a chance last year when we were struggling instead of signing Smith and Phelps.
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| Quote ="EastStandFaithful"I respect your view but dont agree about burn out. Even the legend S Edwards was eased into the game at wing.
Alex Ferguson eases youngsters into football to avoid burn out and that is football. Rugby is far more brutal. Too many forwards running at Sam wll take its toll.'"
But wasn't he eased into the game when we had good half backs already. Sam ia head and shoulders above Smith at the moment.
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| Still think Smith might be able to do something, Coley, Mathers, Phelps, yep I agree, waste of space. Nice to see someone dropped, will have an impact on the whole team. I hope Smith can bounce back,
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| Quote ="Salty"But wasn't he eased into the game when we had good half backs already. Sam ia head and shoulders above Smith at the moment.'"
Yes we did have good half backs when Edwards was brought in but I stil think Sam could get walloped and needs protection to help him develop. Given where we are as a team, I do not see him being used now and again. I would have him in most weeks but rest him occasionally.
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| He has 6/7 days between games to rest.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"He has 6/7 days between games to rest.'"
He doesnt over easter which is a month away.
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| OK then we will let him have Easter Monday off after he has torn Saints to shreds on Maunday Thursday!
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