I cannot believe just how bad we have been tonight,i thought we dodged a bullet 2 weeks against Salford they were the better team team then and they are again tonight,good look to Salford at OT

Genuine question, would you react by potting Lam after these last few weeks? Is this acceptable?

Wow if anything I think just shows that we rode a wave. This pack had been dominated no it's buts or maybes about that. Just no grunt and no meter eaters. Massive I'll discipline and poor options with Clubb Flower O'Loughlin . All well past their best and in need fire need of replacing properly . The young lads have burned out as the season has gone on and it's shambolic that we are relying on them to carry this team!!

Me either. This would have never happened in a Shaun Wane team.

Bottleless, no direction, poor discipline. The list could literally go on and on. I’ve said it on another thread but there is a lot of players who after tonight need to stand and take a good long hard look at themselves in a mirror. What they’ve produced in TWO semi finals has been nothing short of embarrassing.

Lam also needs to do the same. For the life of me I can’t figure out what our tactics or game plan was - was there even a game plan?!

Absolutely ridiculous.

I have to say though that Salford thoroughly deserve their win and I wish them nothing but the best in the Grand Final.

It isn’t acceptable but I’m hesitant to pot Lam. If this continues into 2020 then absolutely get rid.

I did question the re-signing of Clubb mid season. I've not changed my mind.

If this team doesn't pick up in 2020 an Lam gets the chop...should we go for Ian Watson? What he has done at Salford is simply brilliant. Proper hard working team with a load of meter eaters and work horses

I'm away in France. Watching on TV is painful. I've not seen us look so clueless in a long time. No composure, no intensity, our forwards have been pathetic again. Add the errors and silly penalties to our lack of go forward, we've had no chance tonight. I think we've been worse tonight than last week.

Clubb is useless, Flower isn't anything special and never has been, Partington for all his effort and fearless play is getting smashed. Farrell has tried but it's just not worked, Isa gives everything but has no discernable talent. Lockers, well, aside from inspiring those around him apparently (I saw nobody play with inspiration tonight), now offers nothing while on the field. Powell is not a hooker than will win you games, Lussick out played him withing 5 minutes of being in the field.

We've been lucky that SL overall is on the slide and everyone is beating each other. We've not been anywhere near good enough overall through the season to reach a grand final, at least now we can't paint over the cracks, people withing have to acknowledge our completely obvious deficiencies.

When I saw the away end was full and the home end was empty I knew you was in trouble. Your team needed a lift tonight and they was nobody in the ground to do that for Wigan!

You struggled to overturn momentum throughout and the crowd was a factor in thst IMO.

The team didn’t show up v Saints. No matter about skill or individual ability, a team should always with 100% effort, desire and a will to win.
I find it forgivable if a team loses but you can see the fight, the effort and the a team who gives it their all.

Our team couldn’t get up for it v Saints, our biggest rivals 80mins from a GF.
The coach fielded the same team the following week giving them the opportunity to redeem. That tells you all you need to know about the team and the coach.

This combined with a team which looks like 13 men who don’t know each other let alone played a season together. The fall from grace in attitude and structure is there for all to see.

I honestly think you’d have never seen this under Wane or Madge.

Last week and tonight - awful,awful,awful !

Not just this week though is it,all season long it’s been poor bar the Matty Peet bounce the side got when he returned.

It’s not been a good season at all

I don't think that Viagra could have stiffened up our defence tonight talk about soft

I’d not bar an eyelid if he left personally. You’re right we’ve not played consistently well all season.
My only concern would be who do we bring in.

There was over 9,500 fans on there tonight probably 3.500 from Salford so 6.000 Wiganers spread about a souless stadium Salford were together behind the sticks and really vocal good luck to them in the final.

Really really poor. Forward pack just is not up to scratch at all..Smithies is young and raw but should be starting every game IMO.. O'Loughlin doesn't offer anything anymore. We don't have an organising Half to direct us around the pitch (hopefully solved with Hastings coming) ...I don't quite see yet where French fits but he can play and he clearly has skills and speed to burn.

Burgess alone will not lift that pack. We should just chop Clubb Flower Isa now and go in for other forwards while we can.

I said months back on another thread that we should look to bring in Josh Jones and he absolutely destroyed us tonight. Making meters after contact and offloading for fun!! We lack all of those skills across our whole pack!!

Utter bollox

In 60 years of watching Wigan that was the worst performance I’ve ever seen

I said something similar on the other forum.

I don’t think Lam knows how to pick a [iteam[/i ever since French arrived and Lockers returned from injury.

He’s no idea where to play French but still picks him and two wingers. Lockers is an automatic selection also which means he’s then got to work out who else goes in the back row and on the bench and he’s gone with kids who are burnt out instead of playing Greenwood.

Any of the forwards could have had no complaints being dropped after last week but he picked the same side.

Tactically he’s not fixed issues shown playing against Saints and Salford with Watson played a very similar way and guess what? They got a result.

As to this not happened under Madge or Wane the one and only mitigation for Lam is neither of those had to put up with a 36 year old Lockers, a crocked Clubb and Flower a shadow of his average self in the pack. The side has been let get into this state whereas the side Madge had and Wane had early on were much better than this.

That said and while the new arrivals next year will help I think Lam has been exposed as pretty amateurish and it’s not a given we will see tactics and performances capable of winning semi finals next year with his coaching. He’s part of the problem.

Just hope Canberra don't do an Edwards and renege on the deal for Williams really don't see what they see in him over what they already have. Hastings Totally controlled the game hope he does the same next season

Few things I observed from the south stand tonight:

1. Our forwards. Pitiful and didn’t fancy any of the physical side of the game.

2. Our half backs and hooker. I was seeing things tonight like dropping Partington off on the last tackle and throwing passes to the ground like they’d never seen a centre or lead runner.

3. No team cohesion. When we scored 3/4 of the team didn’t even congratulate French and just sauntered back to their kick off positions. What a bunch of selfish and arrogant players we have.

4. Salford killed us in the basics. Hastings and two drop offs was all Featherstone have done to get to their Grand Final and Salford have done the same. Is it that simple a tactic these days to beat a defence? Salford defended the full width of the pitch and were very disciplined, basically saying we had to go through them, which after last week was clear we aren’t capable.

5. To have so few fans at the game meant it was as dreadful an atmosphere as I think there’s been in the home ends in the 20 years we’ve been at the DW. What a sorry end.

More bothered about Hastings doing an ‘Edwards’ to be honest

You’ve tried that on another thread

Well it wasn’t to be and fair play to Salford for putting in a really good performance. We’ve had a down, up and down again season and as hard as it is to go out, we’ve never looked good enough to win anything, even during the run of victories.

New faces and a new energy to look forward to next year. If Lam is the man is still to be seen but a player like Hastings should be like an extra coach on the field and help us play a more attractive brand of rugby. Guys like George Burgess, Bullock, Clark and Greenwood really need to impress in pre season because we need their size and go forward in the team. We can’t play attacking rugby on zero go forward. We also need to work our what to do with French. It’s a no brainer for me after watching Hardaker these past few weeks. His pace has gone and being solid defensively isn’t enough to win you things. He’ll make a solid centre and French should add pace out the back.

I shall turn up at Old Trafford next week, as I always do and I will look forward to a stress free night cheering Salford on. I fear they’ll fall short against a fantastic Saints side but it’s a final for the game to look forward to.

I've been watching for 51 years and that the worst SF "performance" I've ever seen.
Not even good enough to be called embarrassing.

Good luck to Salford. I think they held back for the last 30 minutes thinking of next Saturday.
An absolute fantastic achievement for them and I hope they approach next week thinking that they can win rather than enjoying the day.