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Given the recent performances and results, i think its time for Brian Noble to leave the warriors hotseat and give someone else with new ideas a try. Since he step into the breach a few years ago now, Wigan are no further forward or even look like challenging for some silverware. The team is lacking of confidence and always look short of ideas going forward, surely this is down to what they learn on the training ground during the week and should take it out onto the field when playing the opposition. Yes he kept us up from relagation when we looked dead and burried, but for a team like Wigan and the superb following that they have week after week we deserve better.[/i

Another one thinking we have a right to challenge for trophies and beat every team. Face up to the fact we are no longer the only good team in the league. We are mid table and have been for years.

But surely a bit of consistency and some entertaining rugby isn't too much to ask for?

He has said himself today or yesterday we are short of quality players, basically saying we are crap but Im trying to get players, give him until the end of the season.

Just playing devils advocate here as I'm not sure whether we should get rid or not, but hasn't he signed or re-signed most of the players in the squad now? If so, he's signed players who he doesn't think are quality or he's a bad judge of player quality?

True but 3 years ago we were on the brink of relegation and brought Noble in to 'save us'. Some knew of his boring Rugby from Bradford and their bully tactics (we were on the receiving end in two Grand Finals) and it worked then but sadly it doesn't work with our team for various reasons. I think he does an 'ok' job with what we have on the field though some of Noble's signings have been complete rubbish and I also feel he is falling out of touch with modern Super League.

Other than the Bradford game we have been remarkably consistent this season

I'm getting to the point now where I actually want us to sack Noble and bring in one of these so-called superstar coaches out there in to the club just to have some different topics on here. When the same results span out people might wake up to the fact that the players we have aren't as good as we think they are.

Out of our squad I would say only Hock (on his day) is world class. The only other world class player we had last season left and wasn't replaced. The rest I would describe as average with some at best falling into a better than average category.

There's some potential world class players in the youngsters coming through but they aren't there yet. I think the Bradford performance was as good a performance as we're gonna get from this team and even that performance wouldn't have been good enough to beat Saints or Leeds.

Unfortunately fanbase and club history don't win you trophies, players do and unfortunately we don't have the right calibre of players at the moment.

You could argue well Noble has signed these players but I think it's more a case of he's had to settle for them because no one else is available or affordable under IL, ie we've gone for quantity rather than quality.

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yes he is falling out of touch with modern super league...........thats why he should step down and give the job to someone with more ideas especially now that game is getting quicker every year. The problem is who do we bring in??? we have the money available if you read what the papers are saying about karmichel hunt for instance. I would personally like to see if we could tempt a certain Mr Shaun Edwards to the job!

Third season, it's his team. He needs to manage that team and stop making excuses for his failings in player recruitment.

I am behind Noble untill he leaves and its the same with any player, why cant we just support the team.

It's only worth getting rid of Noble if there's someone obviously better who's in a position to take the job. Change for change's sake will just create more inconsistency. I don't think it's any co-incidence that our fall into mediocrity was at a time when we employed a ludicrous number of coaches in the early-mid part of this decade.

There were many in the crowd who were clamouring for Denis Betts' head at a time when we had a bad run of form, and actually sang Millward's name in Betts last match - look how that turned out...

He's the one who's signed them

They didn't say that.

What you have to look at is the table. Most of the teams we have lost to have not only beaten us but are winning most of their games. The likes of Castleford,Huddersfield and Wakefield are flying this year and although everybody expects Wigan to be beating those kind of teams we have to realise that the salary cap has evened the competition out and we cant have everything our own way anymore. I am pretty sure Noble is far from happy with the team at his disposal at the minute hence all the failed attempted signings of stand offs in the off season so whilst yes he has signed most of the players there are probrably still positions he thinks needs to be strengthened.

Listening to the amount of people calling for Noble to be sacked has made me realise why opposition fans think we think we have a God given right to win every game. The fact is we dont have any right and it will take time before Noble finds the right formula and build a team he is totally happy with.

So yes,we should be doing a bit better than we are at the minute but the fact is we have not replaced Trent Barrett and the team is desperate for an experienced halfback and the likes of Riddell,Fielden and our most experienced players are just not firing at the minute.

I love the way he says this, we still on paper have a half decent team far better than the standards we have produced in the last few years.

Mr Noble deflects any responsibility off him at any opportunity he gets, but does it is a subtle way, the whilst i take responsibility, the players got it wrong quote from the weekend was another example of this.

Very few think this, most like me expect to see the team play to an acceptable standard most weeks, show desire, motivation, teamwork, improve on basic errors and consistency. The last 3 years we have see this on far too few occasions and although the players have to take there stick for this the book stops with Noble, it is fundamental to his job to put a team with all the qualities out on the field, he has failed.

You keep saying this but the facts are games are not won on paper and IMO your view of our current team is typical of another person who over-rates some of our players. Our team this year is not as strong as last year due to the fact we have not replaced Barrett. You cannot lose a Trent Barrett and not replace him and expect to be stronger. Whilst the squad is bigger the quality has dropped badly in one of the most important positions on the field. Add to that the fact Riddell just isnt firing yet and you can see why we are not playing too well at the minute.



Well we have no idea what he asked of the players. Maybe he told them to do one thing yet they didnt carry out the gameplan? Basically he will take responsibilty but the players did not do what he wanted them to do.

How has he failed though? Because you do not agree with his tactics or the style he employs? Most teams bar Saints and Leeds have had really poor games throughout the season and the reality is we are no different because we do not have any kind of God given right to have everything our own way anymore. The league table the last 2 years proves we are up there with the best of the rest behind Leeds and Saints.

RHJ......

you cant seriously be happy with the way things have gone this year ?

the performance is a crucial part of things , the manner of defeat...

both of the above have been totally unacceptable this year ,

take away the interception at quins , and we would be a lot worse off mentally

I'd say he's failed to play rugby the appeals to the masses. I have said before that Wigan fans will accept defeat if the team plays well; sadly we've been playing increasingly dour rugby (Bratfut excepted) with little to no success.



I think we all pretty much know Jonh is not a supporter of Noble's style of player tactics.



Most teams bar Saints and Leeds have occasionally had really poor games throughout the season. The operative here is occasionally, we seem to be having too many really poor games disproportionate to our previous two years' final table position.



I think we're all pretty much aware of that fact.



Then if we're the 3rd best team in the country and our on-pitch performance is the best we can consistently produce then we've chuff all chance of any hope of success unless Stains and Leeds cease to exist or capitulate overnight.

I think sadly the reaction to the win we had against Bradford shows he will fight to the end for Noble on here despite the evidence regardless as he simply is determined not to be proven wrong.

It's a weird one. He took over to try to bring the good times back, kept you up first year, got 3rd in SL the last two years and I really expected you to go one better this year.

There's plenty of time to go this year but so far the signs are not promising at all.

Shaun Edwards anyone?

Out of interest Jon, which would you prefer out of the following 2 scenarios:

1. Wigan play "well" all year, tail off a bit to the end, and finish 4th.

2. Wigan play sporadic all year, hit form come the playoffs and make the Grand final.