Lam - A joke that we have given him another year.

Hardaker - Good defender, not good enough in attack.

Hankinson - Doesnt do anything wrong but simply not good enough

Gildart - dreadful loss of form in the last half of season.

Burgess - Done for. Lost his speed, looks lazy and clumsy

Williams - Thank God he is going. Far too hot and cold. Tonight he was stone cold, totally outplayed 10 times over by the man who will replace him.

Tommy - Past it. Great defender but couldnt create beans on toast with ball in hand

Flower - Good 10 minutes with some improved carries tonight but then he needs a weeks rest. Far too unfit for the modern game. Perhaps too old?

Powell - Has no craft with the ball in hand and hookers need to be crafty.

Clubb - I truly hope this guy never plays for Wigan again. Utterly awful, slow and cumbersome

Farrell - another who lost his form this past few weeks. Still tried hard though in a beaten team.

Isa - another i dont want to play for wigan ever again. Has there ever been a less threatening player with ball in hand? Looks like hes doing a lot but in reality does nothing in attack. Never breaks a tackle, never makes metres after the tackle, cant pass, slow, no agility.

O'loughlin - Looked the only player capable of creating something despite him being ready for the knackers yard. Been over used in the early part of the season IMO.

French - This guy is a winger nothing more. Very dangerous with with ball in hand but he seems like a luxury player since we will have 4 other wingers next year. Did we really need him?

I fear for next year looking at our team. Only Burgess is an improvement in the forwards.

Bet Hastings is buzzing to play with our mob next year...imagine if we have a Shaun Edwards u turn part 2

You know, i thought about that last week, not with Hastings but Burgess. Have any of these new players actually signed?

Skerrett - The answer to all our issues in the fowards.

Lam ain’t good enough, the team don’t look like they want to play with each other and that’s down to him. We are Wigan and we need someone more experienced. (Little voice at the back ‘What about Maguire?’ Well 1 swallow doesn’t make a summer).

What is the plan for French? It seems we are recruiting players based on every attribute other than how they’d fit into the team.

So that’s 2 areas where I think we are lacking, the coaching side and the recruitment side. Theres no point looking beyond those areas for the time being.

On another note I’ve never know a Wigan side not to give a toss more than tonight’s side, and from my experience that’s down to the coaches and club culture.

You see, i didnt see a lack of effort or a team not giving a toss. I thought they tried hard. I just saw a team that was unprepared and had no direction. Phil Clarke commented at one point in the first half that we were just making the plays up and id agree with that.

Did anyone else hear Hastings say he will miss all this next year?

Lam has 2020 to win something or at least get us to a final.
He did well getting us to 2nd but he's not a good enough coach for play off rugby.
Two weeks ago we beat Salford in a close fought match. So close it left our players physically and mentally shattered. We were smashed by Saints and well beaten by Salford tonight.
After their narrow defeat 2 weeks ago Salford went on to beat Cas convincingly and did the same tonight. Their coach has motivated them to improve. We've gone backwards in play off rugby to an extent that's very worrying.
We still had some very good players out there yet they served up that dross.
Whether they were playing believing they could win I don't know but don't think so. Salford played knowing they could win and did so.
Lam has some thinking to do this off season, mainly about himself.

French will become another Escare,not quite good enough in any one position quite why he was signed still befuddles me

As for Lam well he needs to get himself sorted as he simply looks out of his depth and it’s been like this most of the season bar the odd game here and there

And on this basis whoever is in charge of recruitment needs to go. Don’t get me wrong, French looks an exciting attacking player but some of his tackles tonight made me wonder whether he’d ever tackled anyone before tonight. I’m wondering what position he will play? I know he’s come over early but what position next year? Utility?

I thought more or less the same thing I couldn’t see why,really he was signed,exciting yes but so are any of Wigan’s wingers when they’re in full flight,odd signing at a time the pack desperately needed strengthening.

I really don’t think Hasting will u turn back to a club that at the start of the season was going under. Even if they win this Grand Final they still are at risk next year if people don’t start turning up to games.

This notion that we’re ‘lucky to have finished 2nd & got to the semi’s of the playoffs’ really bugs me.
Firstly, you finish where you deserve to. We had a decent 2nd half to the reason so deserved to finish 2nd. However, part of that was that we deserved it more than a capitulating Hull & Wire.

Once you’re there, you’ve a job to do. If Salford had gone out the way we did, Salford fans may have accepted the claptrap if ‘we’ve had a good year & we did well until the last few weeks’. A club with our recent history in olayoffs, big games & finals, shouldn’t.

It was Lam - and his staffs - job to motivate & prepare the players with a game plan to at least compete. Lets be honest, the last 2 weeks we’ve not even competed. We’ve capitulated. The book for that stops with Lam and his staff.
Nice fella, great player in his day but he is out of his depth when the business end of the season comes and Wigan shouldn’t accept anything less than being involved at the business end. He’s looked lost in recent weeks, like a rabbit in the headlights with no clue how to get his team to even compete.

We can all cope with being beaten by a better team, narrowly in a tight fought game. The last 2 weeks have been anything but. Capitulation & embarrassment are the only words I can use for recent weeks. The blame lies with the coach.

And it was at this point I stopped reading.

Very disrespectful comments to a list of players that only 12 months ago won a Grand Final.

Sorry, Williams was fantastic, man of the match. I wish he was staying and Hastings wasnt coming. Is that better?

Spot on Cadoo. Williams has been our biggest attacking threat ever since he came into the first team. He’s been outstanding for the club and I’m certain he’ll do well at Canberra. I’d have taken more notice of this thread had it been started by anybody else.as soon as I saw who started it, I knew what would follow. I got to the point a while back where I started to believe Enforcer is a Saints fan just out to get a bite so I tend to just ignore his / her tripe these days.

this is going to sound controversial, but here goes ....

given the losses to the playing squad from last year, the edwards nonsense, 2 wingers out for the season, 2 forwards dumped from the squad mid season. finishing 2nd and going on a long unbeaten run should not be viewed as a failure

so .. leaving aside the pluses and minuses of the coach ...

for next year we have a half back incoming who has been outstanding this year
we have a player in french who has a touch of magic
we have a forward coming over who has experience and aggression

we have blooded another couple of young forwards who look to be the deal
we have smith and bourouh to look forward to

not all doom and gloom.

given the expectations we had in feb, and the state of the club in apr - 2019 hasnt been all bad

What the hell do you know? You're so busy happy clapping for Lenagan that you dont know what the hell is going on. You told everybody that the club had done everything right when the Edwards saga was unfolding yet it turned out they had done everything wrong. Yes, announcing a new coach and parading them in front of the cameras without a signature is one of the biggest shambles ive ever seen from the club and Lenagan must take the blame for that.

As for Williams, this page has been littered with people attacking him for the past few years and i have refrained and even defended him but last night showed me that they were right. Where the hell was he? He was so anonymous that O'loughlin, a 36 year old ended up taking over as play maker.

Lets look at the real facts. We havent won a single big game this year and there have been plenty.

World club Challenge

Nou Camp

Anfield V Wire

Wire away in the challenge cup

2 Semi finals to reach old trafford

4 derby games v saints one of which was to reach old Trafford.

All the above were one off must win games in the category of big matches.

Regardless of finishing 2nd in the league we failed every big test in 2019.

2020 is a re boot for the squad.

Lets look at the real facts. We havent won a single big game this year and there have been plenty.

World club Challenge

Nou Camp

Anfield V Wire

Wire away in the challenge cup

2 Semi finals to reach old trafford

4 derby games v saints one of which was to reach old Trafford.

All the above were one off must win games in the category of big matches.

Regardless of finishing 2nd in the league we failed every big test in 2019.

2020 is a re boot for the squad.

It makes stark reading that’s for sure,add in the laughably bad rugby played at times it doesn’t add up as a season to remember at all,Lam won’t have long to turn things round next time out that’s for sure,I’ll bet too season tickets sales take a hit after the last fortnight from those on the fence.

Wow. Now that does clear things up.

For people who think it’s been a good season, the above post shows why some of us don’t think it has been despite all the off field palaver.

Some of the players have worked their socks off but I think it’s a coaching and management issue at the heart of all this.

Management - Have we the right players? Have I picked the right coach?

Coaching - Are they motivated enough? Have we the right tactics to beat the opposition?

Canberra Raiders best hope they've kept their receipt after your assessment. Your comments are reactionary, hyperbolic and rash. When was the last time a british halfback was signed up by the Aussies?

Last night was a bad night. As was the week before. But allow yourself some perspective. Twelve months ago that list of players you've rinsed won the Grand Final.

Chris Thorman, Parramatta, 2004.

George had a bad game but let’s be frank here; he’s two plays in front of everyone else, he sees things others don’t and can’t and tries to put players in gaps and spaces they’re not capable or quick enough to hit.

In the NRL that all changes. I personally think he’ll be an absolute star over there if he plays to his potential.