Seems like he's not past it after all...

It's too much to hope that those suggesting on this board that he was past his sell by date a few weeks ago will admit they were wrong.

So I will just salute Lockers, a great Wigan player and captain and one of the few England/GB players to captain a series winning side in the modern era (and in doing so he was named man of the series).

Well done Sean!

I think anyone that actually knows the game can see he's still top drawer. The rest make silly statements.

The only thing wrong with SOL is his injury record, I said for years, even when Tomkins was tearing it up that he was Wigans best player.
I've never understood those that knock him or don't 'get it', world class player that would have ripped up the NRL if he'd ever have made that decision.

As ever he's produced some top performances at international level.

Gaz Hock made a comment that Lockers is world class on Twitter and some clown was criticising him, saying that Lockers was bang average.

Most sense I've ever heard (seen) Hock make.

He's played pretty well this series, he almost ruined a good performance today with some stupid penalties at the end, but he's led the side well in this series. With Sam Burgess coming back I think he should move into the second row in place of Farrell.

Yeah he was very good today. Thought Smith was as good as I've seen him too.

Was it John Kear that chose the man of the series?
IMO Hill and Graham were our best players over the three games
SOL did a solid job and scored a couple of important tries but he wasn't the Man of the series
I thought that Matty Smith was absolutely outstanding today,That was game management at it's very best and just when we needed it too,Why couldn't he perform that same performance in the GF?

Smith wasn't anything that special, but he provided control, and a solid kicking game. It really should be the bread and butter for every half back, but it seems it isn't for English halves. Widdop was meant to play the 'Smith' role in this series, but he's proven himself to be way off the required standard IMO.

Widdop has been the biggest let down of the series. Over the three games he's been abysmal and has given the side no shape or control.

Even as a Wigan fan I have to say Smith was lucky to be in the squad and even luckier to get in the 17 today but he came up trumps and I'm happy for him because he always gives his best. It's a sign of how poor our halves have been that today's showing looked fantastic from Smith. In truth it wasn't but it was light years away from anything Widdop has produced.

Widdop has been very poor and he certainly has hit the jackpot in the NRL with his status and salary over there as he is vastly over rated

Widdop's problem is he's playing behind a mainly SL pack.
The lad has come through the NRL system from youth to 1st team and that must be totally different from the SL academy route. He has never played in SL.
He is very good in the system he's been brought up in.
Also, McNamara must be the most inadequate coach he's ever met.

As for Lockers, other club's fans don't rate him, we know that.
Opposition players rate him very highly.
Opposition coaches also rate him very highly as do International coaches.
I've not bothered for years what fans say about Lockers for those very reasons.

He has played well this series one or two needless penalties but a solid performance from him. Will he be able today at that intensity in the next four nations?

Every player can be proud of their performances. Over the series we have been the better team. With this experience and with those who missed out thru injuries or missed out on selection to challenge for places also things are looking good at the minute.

Widdop plays in the nrl which is all. About set structured plays which he orchestrates perfectly, it's them set plays and patterns that beat the opposition not him. He won't let us down in defence but unlikely to take on line and rip thru it.

Widdop has no excuses. His forwards have eat up the metres and bought him some space but he's failed to use it.

Matty Smith plays a very basic game but it showed Widdop up today.

Opposition fans didn't rate Andy Farrell. I even stood next to opposition fans who spent the whole of each game sneering at the 'massively overrated' Ellery Hanley - until he crossed the whitewash for his fourth or fifth try. To be honest, if you've been a Wigan fan for the last 30 years, you'll long ago have learned not to give a diddly squat what opposition fans say.

Based on what I've seen of him he's only the first choice because he's in the NRL.
He looked poor for the majority of last season as well though, and he was playing behind a pack containing; Graham, Hodgson, Cooper, and Tom Burgess (plus Whithead, and George/Sam Burgess will probably be in the starting pack as well next season), I don't think that's a valid excuse. It seems clear to me that when you actually examine his skill set there isn't much there. No long kicking game, no game management, no passing game, no real running threat. He's a great defender, but you don't pick your halves based solely on their defense. I really don't think he offers more than Gale or Tomkins would in the halves for England behind that very good English pack.

Agreed. Widdop is supposed to be the seasoned NRL pro who plays against these guys every week and is supposed to take the lead, but he was outshone by the rookie Williams in the first game and certainly by Matty Smith's (as Charlie quite rightly says) bread-and-butter kicking game in this one. What he did do is make some good cover tackles in defence, but that the NRL training that's been drummed into him. More is needed from an international half.

People have a real hang up about playing lads out of what is deemed their position. Widdop plays stand off for St George so therefore he should only play there for England but to me he still looks like a full back playing in the halves. Add in Sam Tomkins starting to look more and more like a half playing at fullback and I'd seriously consider a swap. Widdop only moved in to the halves because he couldn't get a game in front of Slater.

Zak Hardaker has defended well but offered no sort of link or threat in attack. I'd consider going 1-Widdop, 6-Tomkins and 7-Smith for next years four nations.

Lockers was deservedly MOS. Graham was average yesterday and For every penalty Lockers concedes Hill does a stupid offload in his own half. All the forwards were good throughout the series. A special mention to Ferres. Three excellent games.

On the negative side was the performance of Watkins. Everyone was banging on about McGilvary, who did well in defence. But really what chances did the winger get in all three games? Watkins didn't give one single pass. Bateman gave Hall more passes yesterday than Watkins gave in all three tests.

I think the whole England game plan was to play thru the middle leaving very little opportunity for esher centre or wingers to shine. I do think mcgilvrey deserved a start and offered more running ball out giving the props a rest than burgess did in previous games.

Watkins by my reckoning butchered two very good chances. He dropped the pass from Lockers when England had space and an overlap and he then passed to the NZ player a few mins later after a good break.

Still it goes back to what I wrote on another thread - one or two games don't make or break a career. Watkins has been very good all season and I'll take the view that over 30/40 games he's been the leagies best centrw and therefore is by definition a top player.

What this has proved is that thankfully we have got some more mileage next season from Lockers, 3 games on the spin in wet conditions and MOS , no injuries , now hopefully bit of a rest then lead us from the front next season , the cream always comes to the top, well done Lockers !

I wouldn't disagree about Widdop, but is he really a better full-back than Hardaker? I'm not convinced. I might be wrong, but my recollection is that he always *was* a half, who was drafted into full-back when Billy Slater got injured. And did pretty well there. Hardaker did do a bit more to try to join in the attack yesterday, but to dismiss him after three very solid defensive displays where he hardly put a foot wrong seems very harsh. I'd be happy for ZH to stay at full-back and any two from three in the halves from Tomkins, Williams, and Smith, depending on tactics/conditions. Widdop doesn't deserve an automatic place; no-one does. Also, Gale deserves a shot too.

Also, I have another theory about the Melbourne Storm.

Playing second fiddle there for too long is bad for your development as a player. Widdop had it for years, now Blake Green is in his shoes. Watch any Storm game and see how many touches Green gets compared to Cronk and Smith. Cronk hogs the ball, and Green gets limited runs, with limited options, generally down the left flank. Go back a couple of years, and it was Widdop it was happening to. Another point is, it's hard to develop a good kicking game when you're teamed up with two of the guys who are thought to be the best kickers in the business. For me, Blake Green's performances have tailed off after a bright start for the Storm, and I don't think it's hard to see why.

Widdop played fullback at reserve grade iirc. The first time I heard of him was when he had a great year in that reserve grade and I think the storm win the grand final.

You're probably right though in that he may not be a better fullback then Hardaker. He certainly isn't defensively but I don't think the team will win things over the next two years unless Hardaker manages to find an extra gear in attack. I remember the stick Rads took playing for GB for just being a defensive fullback but Hardaker has been exactly the same in this series (but doesn't support the play as well). It doesn't feel like you can run with that sort of option at fullback in the modern game but I do think there's more to come from Hardaker.

Some opposition fans do not rate Lockers and don't appreciate how good a player he is and what he brings to any side he plays in
Some opposition fans do not rate Sinfield and don't appreciate how good a player he is and what he brings to any side he plays in

Some fans don't like either simply because they don't play for their club side rather than judging either player with an unbiased opinion of their talents and qualities

I have always rated Lockers and just like Sinfield they are both top quality players who can control the the side, They both bring a lot of qualities to their sides that fans wont easily recognise
As both players have aged they have adapted their games accordingley to bring their talents and leadership qualities to their sides

Sadly we won't appreciate how good they both were until they are no longer playing and controlling the side
Both are top quality players that will be hard to replace

So, Sinfields gone, and we win a test series........... Just playing devils advocate, because its a stupid argument...