What is with this guy - he does some superb stuff then reverts to "Wane-type"

His kicking the ball at McGuire after the first try and then he was so late for McGuire's second could have easily started a fight it was so blatant.

He was the best forward on the pitch. That's all that matters. We'd have been nowhere near as good without him and he now probably has a bigger effect on the team than O'Loughlin.

He had a top game.

It was a bit silly going in late on McGuire but it's McGuire so I'll get over it!

All do it, just look worse at Old Trafford because of the drop off...

To be fair Peacock did the same (against Cas?) a few weeks ago

Really should have been an 8 point try for the late hit on McGuire.

Is any hit on McGuire late... Always timely in my book..

Pity Farrell wasn't timely enough to save the trys!!

The Rugby Gods were obviously not paying attention....

He was our man of the match IMO, really didn't deserve to be on the losing side

Yes coming from a Leeds fan, despite his silly antics after both of McGuire's tries he was arguably Wigan's best player. He, Williams and Bowen the top 3 for your guys. Bowen was good but had a few poor moments in defence.

Farrell made the most metres of any forward on the field. I think he was around 60 metres ahead of the closest Leeds forward (not that it counts for much).

For the second year in the trot he certainly didn't deserve to be on the losing side.

He's an excellent club player. I hope I'm wrong but I just think he's too small for internationals.

Could be right and I've had those concerns myself. At least you qualify it rather then just saying he's rubbish as I've read on the VT.

I'm with you and Nicky here.

He's a quality player, his contribution to your first try was top drawer. I don't understand the pointless niggle he sometimes gets involved in, like the late drop on Mags, but that doesn't detract from the fact that he was outstanding for Wigan on Saturday. Hope he goes as well against the Kiwis

Long live the Pearl. By far the best player at the club. I remember watching him in the academy in the same team as Mossop, Sam & Joe Mellor. I always said he'd be a future Man of Steel, an incredible talent.

I always think of him as a second row version of Roby in that he's relentless and has an unbelievable engine. He's also massively strong for the size of him and must be a nightmare to play against.

Until he becomes a sweetheart of Eddie and Stevo though he's on a loser if he thinks he'll gain that sort of recognition.

He only has to wait out this season. They are both retiring.

Seems to me there's something intrinsically wrong with the idea that international players need to be 'bigger'. Why?

You think it's wrong so you tell us! IMO it's pretty inevitable that if a coach has a much bigger pool to pick from he will probably lean towards the bigger players, everything else being equal.
I would wager that the average size of a second rower in SL is significantly smaller than the average Kiwi international second rower. If Farrell had to face that prospect week in, week out he wouldn't fare as well as a bigger player would IMO. Not that I have any problem at all with him as a Wigan player. In this league he is superb.

The Kiwi pack is big and very physical. Its a pack of the sort that simply doesn't exist in SL. A smaller forward in SL (and to a lesser extent the NRL) can get by on hard work and running good lines. Its a lot harder to do that when the collisions are bigger and all the opposition forwards are quality.

As I say, I genuinely hope Farrell proves me wrong and has a storming series. As an England fan I want to see us win.

I thought the 2 outstanding players on the pitch were Farrell and Bowen. They both scared the sh*t out of me evry time they got the ball. Also thought that by far the best team on the night lost, so it just shows it's all about taking your chances. The future is very bright for Wiggin and the rest of us can only hope that the NRL and Yawnion keep poaching your talent.

I've had the pleasure of root canal this morning, however reading this has more than eased the pain. Please God let this be true.

There was a tribute paid to Eddie Hemmings at the MOS dinner. He announced it was his last time and that the reason was Stevo's decision to retire after the next GF. Presumably they want to shuffle off together. Not a moment too soon IMO, not least because I distinctly heard him say to his companions "come on you Leeds" in the hotel bar afterwards.


EDIT: Apologies for derailing the thread.