not havin a go but ,is it tactics or do the players not want to play for the guy

Seems to be an issue tbh.

Smith needs to go now hes a defencive liability and Tomkins must have his chance at 6.

obviously not. not since Mike Gregory has been in charge has there been any pride in the shirt

No. They have not for over 2 years, but some on here will claim they do and Nobles record speaks volumes. 2 third placed finished in a 2 horse race, and losing to 3 of the weakest teams in the league on last years form.

The players we have bought are to blame...Riddell, Smith, Roberts...replace them with young local lads and we'd fare better

No we would not. Give them options, runners, lines etc etc they stand a chance at the moment we are cannon fodder, these players do not become poor overnight, but if they are limited in what they can do, how the hell can they play to there potential.

One thing is clear Smith needs to drop in at bobby, or grow a set, he cannot continue in the first line of defence.

I think the club has lost its soul.

We finished 6th and 4th, we shouldn't let the playoffs paper over that fact. We'll not finish in top 4 this season.

Enough is enough tonight was sad no ideas no defence lockers should never be captain never said a word when they scored, hock could not wait until bedtime goal kicking rubbish no idea whats so ever god help us when we play a good team

Hey, we scored with a set move from the scrum tonight that included a dummy runner.

From small acorns

Was saying exactly that tonight. They look like they no longer want to play for Nobby.

They have looked this way for the last 18 months.

In answer to the original question no one knows. We can only speculate. You would have to ask the players. To be honest tonight they didn't look like a team that didn't want to play. Tonight's loss wasn't through a lack of effort just a pure lack of quality. Only people on our team that looked like doing any damage were Ainscough and Feka.

Indeed they do. Ripple effect from the time they lost the dressing room mid season.

There appeared a divide in the side on a couple of occasions tonight after we scored tries. When Pryce scored he walked back to his position virtually 50 - 60 yards without a Wigan player anywhere near him, as did Fielden in the first half when Lulu scored

Maybe they don't want to play for the fans, afterall all that seems to happen is that the fans just slag them off and boo them...

i actually feel sorry for noble.

how does he coach tim smith how to tackle?
how does he coach o'loughlin how to keep a rugby ball in play?
how does he coach o'loughlin to stop giving away penalties?
how does he coach o'loughlin to stop missing daft tackles?

simple as, he cant, these are schoolboy errors which players learn at under 8's! it is just poor individual play what is letting us down.

How does he coach our defence to move forward? How does he coach Coley to not lead with the ball carrying arm?etc etc etc

He drops them and/or works on there skills he has had 2 years to do it but yet we still see no improvement and we see good players become poor players the moment they sign for us.

Get over yourselves, just accept your not the team you used to be, last 5 games we have played you, record, Cas 3 Wins, Wigan 1 win, 1 draw, and that includes us finishing bottom of the table in the seasons when 4 of the games took place,

If we are 'not a good team' then what the heck are you, at least give teams some credit, that is why most fans of every other side in super league have an issue with wigan fans, living in the past.

accept that you were beaten by a better team on the night, not a poor team, and you might earn a bit more respect from the opposition.

Spot on Wigan is not the Mecca of rugby you know.

Hock got injured early in the first half, he went off, to come back on in the second half, and got even more injured.

I used to think that having a captain in the side doesn't make a difference... Especially when Barrett was in the side, we all knew that 'he' was the captain, not O'Loughlin. Tonight though, I started thinking, we've no Barrett... Therefore, no captain. When Farrell was here, he would absolutley boll0ck the team for conceeding a try, the team were scared to disapoint him! Barrett was the same... And now he's gone, who's running the show? Like somone else said before, O'Loughlin didn't say $hit tonight... They need someone who the team looks up to, and fears to disapoint - Noble is obviously soft as $hite aswell, because they come out of that changing room and nothing seems to have been said to them.

I was speechless tonight, I didn't think we played bad, I just think that there's nothing 'about' the team anymore, no spirit and that. Shaun Ainscough had that fire about him tonight where you could tell that he wanted to perform because it was Wigan. Yeah it was his debut, but you could see that he wanted to play for Wigan, he knows what it means. If your a young lad growing up, playing rugby, all you ever wanna do is play for Wigan - Most of the team don't have that feeling, thats why he stood out tonight - Barrett knew what it meant to play for Wigan, and he was an Ozzie!

If you were asked by your boss to do something every day that you thought was wrong and saw the results to confirm this thought, would you turn up every day full of enthusiasm?

We aren't a top side anymore - we are still the biggest club/name in the game - but we are a mid table side.

Thats Bull, we have the players on paper, just the totally wrong tactics.

The longer we continue with them the more harm it will do to the next coach.