I must admit I agree with most of what short says, other than O'Carolls size being a problem. he made his debut at 17, and since then he has had his size questioned. He has had 70+ 1st team games,played at international level, all his unfortunate injuries have occured during training sessions, he has gone head to head with all the front rowers, and to say a good big one will always do a good small one is gnorant, remember the Morley incident. I am aware this was a clash of heads, however, what it does illustrate is, he has agility, strength, and skill, all necessary qualities that make a good prop, if his size was a problem, surely by now it would have been discovered, Millward, Noble and now Maguire? I would like him to have 3 more inches in height, but I think that is what makes him the player he is, strong, comitted and skillful. On his conditioning, well apart from the benefit of the weight gain, fitness wise he was blowing, but that I feel is simply because of the amount of work he did when he got the ball. Again I agree with the pecking order, but dont forget, we need 4 props per game, or so, and then to rest 2 and have flexibility with resting players, or when there is a drop in performance, or injury is invaluable, and the game against Bradford is a fine example of that, strength in all sections, O'Carolls size doesn't match some props, but it certainly is not a disadvantage, or hasn't been upto now, this next signing he gets will prove his worth, I may end up with mud on my face, however I dont think will,

Yeah I do rate O'Caroll and enjoy his style of play, I am gald lke many he has revovered, and slotted in where he left off, in the thick of it. Maguire is a genious, if he has faith in people like O'Caroll, then lets believe. COME ON WIGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was at the Ireland v Samoa game at Parramatta in the 2008 World Cup, which Ireland won.
O'Carroll was the best prop on the field that night against a good Samoa side.

Ireland: 1. Michael Platt, 2. Damien Blanch, 3. Sean Gleeson, 4. Stuart Littler, 5. Pat Richards, 6. Scott Grix (c), 7. Liam Finn, 8. Eamon O'Carroll, 9. Bob Beswick, 10. Gareth Haggerty, 11. Ben Harrison, 12. Lee Doran, 13. Simon Finnigan. Subs: 14. Michael McIlorum, 15. Karl Fitzpatrick, 16. Wayne Kerr, 17. Ryan Tandy.

Samoa: 1. Smith Samau, 2. Matt Utai, 3. George Carmont, 4. Willie Talau, 5. Francis Meli, 6. Nigel Vagana, 7. Ben Roberts, 8. Wayne McDade, 9. Terence Seuseu, 10. Tony Puletua, 11. Lagi Setu, 12. Dave Solomona, 13. Harrison Hansen. Subs: 14. Frank Puletua, 15. Ali Lauitiiti, 16. Misi Taulapapa, 17. Joseph Paulo.

rumour has it he has been linked with hull fc next season

Didnt know he had a drinking problem?

Top class players in that Samoa side. I hope we see some quality team sheets in 2013. Just a shame players like Hayne won't play for Fiji. It would make the comp so much better.

nobody drinks at wigan then?