Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying about Stats, the penalties are there, but there's no scale showing how stupid they where or how much they cost us. Stat's just don't represent a players performance well enough on their own.

As for whether Coley has been better than Fielden or not, it's nothing more than my opinion based on what I've seen.

I agree, particularly when you add Ryan Hoffman to the list too.

My only worry is now retention.

Its important to keep Andy Coley at Wigan for another year and if possible Fielden too.

Lima completes our front row, no questions.

The agression he will bring to the team will allow Fielden to do what he does best: make yards and make tackles, and he won't have to 'lead' the pack or worry about 'scaring' the opposition's forwards.

As a result of this, us fans won't be looking for that from Fielden, so a lot of the pressure will be off him, and hopefully he can really perform on a consistent basis.

I'm looking forward to the back end of next year when Lima, Hock, Hoffman and Joel can start smashing the opposition around the field, and Fielden can quietly get on with being the hard working prop forward he is.

Thats crazy.

Ok if you think Fielden has been better than Coley, everyone can have an opinion but i can't see how you can say by a long way?

IMO Coley is a better player than Fielden in every aspect of their games.

Fielden has tackled better than Coley and thats about it. Coley has been better in most departments imo.

Fieldens game will not improve no matter who he plays with, hes about workrate these days as he has lost any legitimate claim to being an "enforcer". Hes never going to be a bad player the question should be, is he good enough to risk potentially losing players like Prescott, OCarroll, Davies etc I would argue no.