Only time will tell! but I doubt it, yes at first the new factor but long term No!

It is so encouraging how many others club's supporters seem to visiting our board to express their opinions! though I was born in the borough of St Helens and still live there I was accused yesterday of being a "Troll" for commenting on the board - LOL - as if that worried me "The Chief Scout" - watched rugby league since I was six and only been physically attacked on one ground, yes Knowsley Road and called a "Cockney F ****r" as I was pushed around leaving the stand after the game which we drew!

Always found the fans at KR very hospitable and even the pubs welcoming.

Doesnt Superleage more often than not beat Guinness Premiership when it comes to TV ratings. Your def right about the RFU doing things a lot better than the RFL when it comes to gaining new fans, advertising etc.

I wouldnt say Rugby League is completly failing as in australia it is thriving compared to union!

Then how do you think I felt! in my home town and sat in the stand and everyone else just watched on and I was on my own!

It may well do, and attendance figures for the two competitions are generally quite similar as far as I can see. The key difference between league and union in England is the geographical distribution of clubs. The union Premiership has twelve clubs in twelve different counties between Newcastle and Exeter: Greater London, Greater Manchester, Tyne & Wear, Somerset, Devon, Gloucestershire, West Yorkshire, Leicestershire, Berkshire, Northamptonshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire. Whilst it doesn't have anything like the profile of football it can claim to be a truly nationwide sport at the top professional level the same as cricket, and like cricket it's got a big international scene featuring eight or so nations that are all fairly competitive when they play each other and can fill the largest grounds.

By contrast, eleven of the twelve English Superleague clubs are almost in a straight line running across the country between Merseyside and Humberside, whilst the top three nations are never likely to lose to anyone other than each other.

So every other club should be penalised, just because you are in London ??????

Get real , only the gallant few (and I salute you) want the game down there, Thirty years ao trying should show you that

What utter tosh, the game was around for years before the London experiment and will still be around if the quins fail again, but as a club, the quins have to stand alone, propping them up at every financial crisis is just plain wrong , as it is with that ridiculous welsh team.

I hope quins can make it on their own back because just cadging when times get hars is going to encourage more far off places with no interest in R/L to come cadging the RFL's money (see crusaders )

good luck

Yes the distribution of the clubs in superleage is the problem when it comes to the rugny leage being seen as nationwide sport in the eyes of fans and media.. On an international level union isnt that much different to league when it comes to the top 3 teams. Yes there is better competition below that and the international scene is alot better in union but teams in the north still go decades without winning in NZ, OZ or SA.

How many rugby union Tri-Nations have New Zealand won now? When was the last time Australia won it?

Are you one of these people who don't dare travel further westward than Liverpool due to the fear that you might fall off the edge of the world? I guess north Wales is just one of those far off lands over the yonder that you've heard whispered about by travelling folk and explorers who sometimes pass through town with strange tales of a race of people with funny accents and bizarre chimera's the likes of which you couldn't imagine.

Before Sky came on the scene and Super League was instigated the game was nearly dead as a professional sport. Since Sky it has grown and for a number of years it was in the ascendancy. We then had the World Cup in England which was a disaster and since then Union has beaten League into the ground on terms of paying punters though the gates at club level.

If you want the sport to remain in the heartlands it will die, there's no money in it and no gain for advertisers in showing such a minor sport.

would dropping down to the championships be better for the future of the quins instead of losing big money each year struggling

I think what would benefit Quins RL and League in London in general would be for the media to take more notice, to get stories to the press, to have journalists interested in league. That is how it can work. What coverage do Quins get in London newspapers?

Talk about stating the obvious, but we get pretty much nothing

I take it by "regulars in locals" you mean all those northerners who have moved down here over the years who have the same myopic vision of RL as yerself??

Now may I be as bold to suggest you worry about HKR's massive debt, a non Super league standard stadium and team full of aussies, begging for tax payer funded "bailouts" for a new stadium when your city already has a perfectly fine taxpayer funded one you could use with your neighbours and the football team and we'll "worry" about a pot less Quins RL.

On the fans front you will rarely find new families coming to union, with new fans being kids of dads who have played or followed the game or new girlfriends.

On the advertising front the union side followed on from us by getting big names on shirts, ie Fosters, Virgin, etc but we have not got much money in for that name on the shirt. Where union is different is the names behind the scenes have forced through good deals for their clubs or shown full stadiums at Twickenham and solid fanbase growth until around 2007-08. Since then there have been big showcase, but non-final events such as the London double header or Saracens playing at Wembley. Now these are very attractive to sponsors, whereas we can be dismissed as next to meaningless, oh it's just a few people in Wakefield, Castleford and Wigan, is it really worth my money to sponsor a shirt, or advertise at the ground for such a narrow market. This against a sport which runs from the deep South to very North of England, as well as much of Europe and the colonies, although they are not growing as they were pre-law changes they can show themselves to be growing even if they are not.

The game was starting to die a slow death before Maurice Lindsay introduced Sky to the game and I was no fan of Maurice but he rescued the game, so let's not think that all was well! If Sky see the game is not developing and is going back to M62 Clubs and withdraw then the game could be in turmoil as clubs will not survive full time and how will they pay for the new stadiums then without Sky money.

Can't speak for Castleford as I've never been there, but this country and the world in general have changed quite a bit over the years, even just the few years since Superleague started, and things still are and will continue to change. RL has to change as well if it's to have any hope of competing with all the rival attractions. Having been around for years is no guarantee of continuing to be around.

If thats the base of your argument as opposed to the facts that all quins bring and have brung in their previous guises is the begging bowl every 4 or 5 years. I would love to enter into a childish argument and trade childish insults with you, but you would win with all the experience you have of that nonsense.

If it was meant to be funny, you have failed in that department too

The game will be well rid of you

But to have a R/L team in london is fantastic but it must be able to support itself and not expect handouts every 4 or 5 years, for gods sake you have had 30 years of trying and still nobody (apart from the gallant few) in the capital gives a toss, how many more names/venues/rescues do the RFL have to provide before the club can support itself............................................ and the welsh are worse, they went for the cash after only one year.

The only expansion club making a fist of it are the french , but they were and still are in a french RL stronghold, so no surprises there

Keep shouting it and you may get some nutter to believe it

btw Lindsey was the worst thing ever to happen to the game, a cheat and a liar of the highest order

How many more times??? THE RFL DO NOT PROVIDE US WITH GROUNDS

Well said.

The good news, of course, is that Harlequins RL will no longer have to put up with Brian McDermott.

This can only be a good thing.

I would counter that you are the one bringing the childish behaviour. It is very far from being a FACT that alway we have brung (And I'm thinking you're not overburdened with an overabundance of schooling.) is the begging bowl every 4 or 5 years. Please go away and read up on some facts, such facts as you as a person really aren't bringing much to the debate. You will keep a civil tongue in that mouth or I will sew it shut. Is there an understanding between us?

That was the harsh reaction version, the next is if you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet (Quins), you'd best teach it to dance (tell the club how to increase crowds).

If you want to debate with the grown ups, please bring some facts with you. Please list the "hand outs" we have had....links to the publicly available accounts, the news stories, the statements from the financial department at the RFL explaining why...........
....but as you can't do us all a favour........go play with the other kiddies in the sin bin.