I entirly agree but that is sadly what BM prefers to do. Orr has clearly been playing when injured according to posters on here and has been ineffective in loads of games. Gigot would have been more effective, especially with his kicking game. Reserve observers may say he is not yet SL standard but when he is injured - neither is Orr by a long wayicon_exclaim.gif

Stupid analogy, on that basis QRL are a Ma & Pa Convenience store compared to Leeds/St Helens being Tesco's. While nobody has the right to understand the internal metrics, workings and stratagies of QRL, supporters will make their own minds up about the "product" on offer on the shelf.

If supporters percieve, much like high street punters percieve, that the business they choose to honour with their custom, is no longer stocking the products they want to buy, they will shop elsewhere, likewise, if supporters percieve that a lack of quality product is on offer from the club in way of players and coaching staff for next season, they may also choose to go elsewhere, not to buy their RL, but simply to use their money in other ways.

Tesco's are not going out of business.........................close to 30 Ma & Pa Convenience stores/CTN's close or change hands every week in the UK.

Believe me, if I had the cash I would buy the bluddy lot.

As for dirty laundry, I am not suggesting chapter and verse, but an admission that something was wrong and is being addressed rather than the usual b0ll0x spouted at after match press conferences would go some way to explaining what steps are being taken to ensure that the 2010 season doesn't start like the 2009 is ending.

All we want is an explanation. That's all, an apology would be even better.

It may not require an apology- if the downturn in form is due to injuries why apologise.

Bizarre and very contradictory response

Momentum was lost due to injuries.....but getting spanked by a load of teams from the lower half and mid table points to something other than injuries.....we were pretty much full strength on Sunday and yet we got dotted by a Cas team who themselves were tonked a few weeks earlier by Leeds.....why?
I don't want an appology, just an assurance that whatever caused this division in the squad has been sorted out.

What division is that?

Players arguing with each other on the pitch, snide posts on facebook...no smoke without fire.

Which players have been arguing on the pitch? I've never noticed that.

Nor me, they are to busy making mistakes to waste time arguing.

Purdham and Gafa to name but 2.

When would 2 centres come close enough to argue?

When?

Never seen our esteemed captain talking to anybody, never mind actually arguing.

I think people are reading way too much into that Facebook thing too.

Haven't seen or do not want to see the FB thing....just pointed out that Gafa and Purdham were having words under the sticks at the Cas game after one of their second half tries. Finger pointing and raised voices followed by back turning.
Irrelevant anyway. If anyone out there thinks everything is hunky dory at QRL then they need their heads looking at. June 12th - 4th place - 20 points. September 10th, 11th place - 22 points.......do the math as our illiterate American cousins would say.

Nobody is saying nothing is wrong(the matches lost in the last 10 games highlights that). You have made a statement to the effect it is solely due to divisions within the team-back it up

Thats what I'm thinking too.

Point of order...I didn't say it was soley down to divisions in the squad, I said it was part of the problem. Nice try



What I believe and what is fact may not be the same, but let's face it, if you think everything is rosey in TW2 you must be from another planet. Remember, I am the useless idiot who got knocked back for a job at quins RL and therefore have a hidden agenda when it comes to marketing issues........even though a few things I have suggested over the years have all proved worthwhile.....but hey, keep on knocking me, I am teflon!

Purdham and 1F had words....that is a fact. Players or those connected with the have been using social networking sites to discuss other players (apparently) and as a team, we look like 17 individuals, not a tight knit unit.
I hope I am wrong, but I believe that there is something not right with the squad, because no matter how badly (or not) the team are being coached, to roll over and apply the KY in the manner of last Sunday points to nobody giving a toss.

To ask for proof is just being pedantic...it's highly unlikely that if I poke Gafa on facebook he will spill the beans, or that BMac will admit to their being anything wrong, but the fact we have 5 or more threads regarding the current situation points to a fair amount of fans thinking along the same lines.
Didn't someone post on thses boards that Purdham had said their was an issue but it had been talked through? If so, it wasn't talked through enough in my humble opinion!

Everyone has arguments on the pitch in the middle of a battle-That’s not a division or split it could well be due to a defensive misunderstanding for example.

I’m not suggesting there is or isn’t a split- If there is it is something that I believe is new to the London Club

It could well be down to frustration due to us picking up injuries to key players at a time when we were going well and haven’t been able to recreate that success/confidence. Therefore the root cause would be injuries.

People have “suggested” Howells injury was brought about in a sinister way- without fact (I believe). I’m sure there are some who know the answers to what is going on but for the rest of us (including you Glum fox) we are pontificating and isn’t healthy.

I haven't heard Howell was "injured" accidently on purpose

.....I bluddy well hope not!
Pontificating......who's doing that. Without any solid foundation, some on here (including me) are trying to figure out how a team that can nearly nil Leeds at Headingly and that turned over HKR at Caravan Park can then get dotted by a mid table Tigers. Injuries yes, we've had them and apart from Leeds, so has everyone else in the comp, but the dramatic fall from grace experienced by us is exceptional to say the least and therefore, questions have to be asked.
I would lay £10 to £100 that something has "occured" in the squad and it needs sorted now, not in December when the squad return to work.
As for it being healthy......who gives a toss. The club monitor these boards amongst others and some of what I say causes "ripples" apparently.....so what? Professional sportsmen are in the public domain, as are the senior officials at the club and if they can't take a bit of criticism, then thank god they chose a 3rd tier sport like RL other than something like tennis.

I see and hear lots of bickering on a pitch. It happens. Part of the game. Don't read too much into that.

Wasn't the facebook comment made in June when we were still relatively ok? IMO, it was just a poor joke rather than a genuine insult.

Agreed, and I'd reckon it happened in the week between HKR away, when we looked like Grand Final candidates, and Leeds at home, when we descended into the shambles that we are now.

Yes of course its that simple. What a ridiculous suggestion. You think a few of the players clashing would instantly cause a massive dip in form?

Depends on what caused the trouble - things like that can happen that quickly, trust me - I've seen it happen at work!