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| Quote ="ashfordwasp2013"No worries, thanks for the welcome!'"
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| What a happy bunch! it gives some I know in the media a real laugh daily, always reminds me of "Slater & Waldorf! lol
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| Quote ="jaybs"What a happy bunch! it gives some I know in the media a real laugh daily, always reminds me of "Slater & Waldorf! lol'"
Statler. If you're going to make a pathetic jibe, you might at least get it right
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| Ok what are the list of viable options in London and people discuss the merits and negatives of each.
Obviously stadiums like Wembley and Twickenham and the big premier clubs (Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Olympic Stadium, West Ham, Fulham) are completely unrealistic due to capacity against number of fans London can draw.
Also include the stadiums on the edges of London eg Wycombe, Watford.
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| I know, let's play at Lords. Or the Oval.
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| Princes Park Dartford?
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| Quote ="ashfordwasp2013"Princes Park Dartford?'"
kent Invicta played there a few years ago and used the cowgirls as cheer leaders.
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| Quote ="daftdad"kent Invicta played there a few years ago and used the cowgirls as cheer leaders.'" Bring back the real Cowgirls and thousands would turn up, no matter where we play.
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| Quote ="Sarf Essex Taff"Statler. If you're going to make a pathetic jibe, you might at least get it right'"
Its not pathetic, when it is truth, doubt many would notice any error, but then again it gives as much Joy as whining! to a few
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| Quote ="jaybs"Quote ="Sarf Essex Taff"Statler. If you're going to make a pathetic jibe, you might at least get it right'"
Its not pathetic, when it is truth, doubt many would notice any error, but then again it gives as much Joy as whining! to a few
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Its extremely pathetic, I would suggest that someone really needs to get out more if they find reading the thoughts of those concerned about the future of their club amusing. I think most on here are sick of the uninformed thinking that they know everything about our situation.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Its extremely pathetic, I would suggest that someone really needs to get out more if they find reading the thoughts of those concerned about the future of their club amusing. I think most on here are sick of the uninformed thinking that they know everything about our situation.'"
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| No one here is fully informed about Our Club as on all sports websites you get those who feel they are ITK and they are usually the ones who know the least!
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| all I know is under the current CEO, more time is and Money is spent looking for ways to cover up for his inadequacies than trying to do the stuff he was hired for such as attracting new fans and investors.
I have no idea as to why we are looking to leave the stoop other than to GUESS that Gus has told DH that TW2 is a Union heartland and he's believed him
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Ok what are the list of viable options in London and people discuss the merits and negatives of each.
Obviously stadiums like Wembley and Twickenham and the big premier clubs (Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Olympic Stadium, West Ham, Fulham) are completely unrealistic due to capacity against number of fans London can draw.
Also include the stadiums on the edges of London eg Wycombe, Watford.'"
I think you will find we already play at the best suitable facility.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"I think you will find we already play at the best suitable facility.'"
If it was completely perfect and the terms were the same from the landlords we would not be leaving! I liked if at Charlton but many didn't, I never remember so much protest about leaving others grounds we have left, even The Stoop first time around, those who didn't agree just accepted that those who put the money in and finance the club have the right to do what they think is best. Until we know where we will play next season it is pointless getting all worked up about it.
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| Quote ="jaybs"...and the terms were the same from the landlords we would not be leaving! '"
How do you know they are not ?
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| Quote ="jaybs"If it was completely perfect and the terms were the same from the landlords we would not be leaving!'"
Really?
Could it not be down to the utter failure to engage with the local population at any level resulting in an 18% drop in attendances in the currents CEO's 2 year tenure, resulting in him looking for an excuse that might just keep him in a job that he is patently not qualified for?
His first year saw a lot of promises but ultimately an 8% reduction in crowds, so he blamed the "misunderstanding" who Harlequins Rugby League were. Then he decided to start looking for other places to call home, which regardless of whether they increase attendances, would give him at least another 24 months employment.
Maybe Harlequins RFC have tried to increase the rent......but the fact remains that we currently play in the only purpose built Rugby only stadium in the Region, we have attracted crowds of 9k+ to this ground in the past and just because the current management don't have a ing clue is not a reason to move the club again.
Ian Lenagan left us to take the reins at Wigan...he's increased their average by 25% in 5 years.......the RFL are partly to blame for our current situation by not letting him own both clubs...if he'd stayed, there is no way we'd be averaging 2,800.......IMHO that is.,
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| Quote ="jaybs"No one here is fully informed about Our Club '"
You don't need to be Woodward & Bernstein to twig that Gus Mackay does sweet FA & David Hughes lets him for some strange reason.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Really?
Could it not be down to the utter failure to engage with the local population at any level resulting in an 18% drop in attendances in the currents CEO's 2 year tenure, resulting in him looking for an excuse that might just keep him in a job that he is patently not qualified for?
His first year saw a lot of promises but ultimately an 8% reduction in crowds, so he blamed the "misunderstanding" who Harlequins Rugby League were. Then he decided to start looking for other places to call home, which regardless of whether they increase attendances, would give him at least another 24 months employment.
Maybe Harlequins RFC have tried to increase the rent......but the fact remains that we currently play in the only purpose built Rugby only stadium in the Region, we have attracted crowds of 9k+ to this ground in the past and just because the current management don't have a loving clue is not a reason to move the club again.
Ian Lenagan left us to take the reins at Wigan...he's increased their average by 25% in 5 years.......the RFL are partly to blame for our current situation by not letting him own both clubs...if he'd stayed, there is no way we'd be averaging 2,800.......IMHO that is.,'"
I'm not saying everything has been done completely right! but you can't compare Wigan and what IL has done with London, Wigan do TV advertising for their Big Matches each season and great full size poster campaigns around the town, now St Helens do nothing! but they still get in the crowds. I agree the RFL were completely wrong with IL and ownership, but now I will get accused of RFL bashing!
Yes we did get higher attendances mainly around the 8,000 plus but how long ago was that? I remember those type of crowds in the Virgin days, but there tended to be a lot of corporate support then and we had the tie in with Capital FM.
Glad that you do accept that our landlords may have upped the rent, we have the same problem as Salford Reds, we have very little income streams other than gate receipts, sponsorship and TV, plus of course David Hughes bank rolling us, that is never going to work and the RFL should have recognised that way back, I still find it difficult to accept why they rolled over backwards with the Bulls?
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| Quote ="jaybs"Glad that you do accept that our landlords may have upped the rent '"
On the other hand they may not.
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| Quote ="jaybs"Glad that you do accept that our landlords may have upped the rent'"
feel free to find the post where I said they hadn't?
You were the one saying that the rent had been upped and you were the one decrying anyone who asked for proof.
The Fact remains that the current CEO has spent more time planning and executing a name change that achieved nothing and even more time on looking for anywhere other than Twickenham for us to play than he has attracting either fans or new investors to the 26 games played at "home" on his watch.
I repeat, I suspect the 2014 deal is already done and as such, the attendances in 2013 will have no influence on the RFL in 2014 when it comes to licencing, as the club will say that "Gillingham" will give us 5k gates within 3 years.......by which time Gus will have stolen another 2 years salary and then buggered off back to cricket.
I can see this, as most other supporters of the club that I have spoken to can...it seems that only the RFL and David Hughes are oblivious to the impending car crash the club are heading for.
The real shame is that TR may well get this team into the top half of the table and fans may well start to drift back, only for them club to move AGAIN at the end of the season
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| Quote ="gutterfax"The real shame is that TR may well get this team into the top half of the table and fans may well start to drift back, only for them club to move AGAIN at the end of the season
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I assume Gus would do the decent thing and resign at that point.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"I assume Gus would do the decent thing and resign at that point.
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His CV is going to take a pounding if he doesn't turn things around at the club.....binned by Surrey after overseeing a drop in average attendances for T20 (same total for 8 games as 5 the year before...38% drop in 2 years) 5,000 empty seats on day 1 of a test match.
It does seem he is a "marmite" character...:
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Quote Zimbabwean Mackay arrived in October 2008 via administrative jobs at Leicestershire and Sussex, and generally lived up to an abrasive reputation.
The role of MD was created to bind together the professional and recreational games in the county but a brusque manner and obsession with secrecy meant he made enemies quickly and friends slowly, hardly ideal in encouraging people from different parts of the game to work together.
Mackay was criticised for spending too much time around the first team and went some way to addressing that this year.
As at his previous two clubs, there are those who feel he made a positive contribution but the exit of a man who always seemed in a hurry to get things done is unlikely to be widely mourned, particularly among the playing staff.'"
Hmm......I doubt you'll see him do the decent thing
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| I see that West Ham are being given the keys,again, to the Olympic Stadium and Barry Hearn said today he'll fight it but realises he's probably lost. He also said that in that case he would look to sell Brisbane Road and move out further east or up to Harlow.
Wonder how much he'd want for Brisbane Road? Shall we have a whip round? And who cares if the pitch is too short?
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| Quote ="Rascal Bongo Stork"I see that West Ham are being given the keys,again, to the Olympic Stadium and Barry Hearn said today he'll fight it but realises he's probably lost. He also said that in that case he would look to sell Brisbane Road and move out further east or up to Harlow.
Wonder how much he'd want for Brisbane Road? Shall we have a whip round? And who cares if the pitch is too short?
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Heard him on Talk Sport. Says they should let him move to the Olympic Stadium on a share basis as West Ham moving there will kill Orient. Im not sure how moving into the same stadium will be an improvement? How near does he want to be to them?
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