Maidstone United fan here.



@ you.

I didn't expect any sort of argument from yourself and I'm not surprised or shocked that you're on your high horse on that moral high ground again.

What Jaybs posted was utter drivel and a waste of a bash of keyboard. There is no such campaign involving 50 clubs, a quick Google search proves that. If 50 non-league teams have a campaign, it is kept very quiet as I've heard nothing about that and I'm a regular visitor to South East non-league sides and a regular reader of the Non-League Paper. There is no point in challenging the FA, as a fan of a club who begged for help from the FA but had their pleas swept under the carpet, 50 non-league clubs will have no voice whatsoever.

As for Barnet, they already have a 4G at their Hive facility. Another 4G pitch will cost an immense amount of money for a side like Barnet who've probably made a loss in the last year by getting relegated to the Conference and leaving Underhill. They also cannot have a 4G pitch as their home pitch as it is currently not allowed by the FA in the Football League or the Conference (although a can of worms will be opened when Maidstone get promoted).

The problem with talking with Barnet is the fact that there will be a third side at The Hive should the Broncos move in. With women playing Football all summer and Barnet playing throughout winter a Rugby League team would make it very hard for Barnet to keep their pitch up to scratch. It almost gives the pitch no recovery time or a rest period and with a poor winter on the cards for many years, there would be a risk to Barnet that they'd end up playing on a heap. Yes, an extra source of income would be vital to building a side good enough for League Football again but you can guarantee that the blame would lie solely at the feet of the Broncos should the pitch deteriorate. The Broncos would also be the first kicked off in any event of re-seeding or re-laying at The Hive and with no real history of heavy use, it remains unknown how well the pitch would stand up to the usage that could take place.

Moe,

If I had accused someone here on the forum of ""your'e lying" and "You're not telling anything that is the truth" I feel a moderator would have told me to withdraw it or warned me! We can all have different opinions! that I accept as much as everyone, but why you feel you know better than anyone is beyond me! and now what I was posted was "utter drivel" I feel it is you making a fool of yourself, and it is not needed.

This afternoon I have contacted "3G4US" to seem some clarification, and told them this is after being accused of "telling lies" about them.

You also accuse me of mentioning 3G pitches and the 3G4US lobby as "You're not telling anything that is the truth, but clutching at straws in the blind hope that something will come off for your benefit" what benefit am I going to obtain in lower league clubs possibly adopting 3G pitches? that is even more laughable. I don't work for any 3G pitch supplier or manufacturer. In the early days of artificial pitches there were problems! but they have greatly improved now, and if they help clubs with their financial flow then it is all for the better, be it with games not being cancelled or using the pitch more for other sports.

Moe, as I said disagree with me, which is your right, but please don't accuse me of telling lies and not telling the truth, when you only rely on nothing better than a google search, thanks.

Meanwhile, back at the Thread..........


....fixtures announced today, "away" teams/fans will be looking to arrange transport/accommodation etc as early as possible to save cash....but where do they book?

The potential landlord (and possible investor) is getting itchy feet and whilst the RFL are happy to approve/reject/approve staff at Bradford, they seem incapable of sorting out a bigger banana skin in London.....the RFL have screamed for the attention of the media over the last 4 weeks.....us blowing up would be a PR nightmare for them.
If DH wants to play "chicken" with them again, I'd suggest the next 2 weeks is as good a time as any because come December 2nd, the game will be back in the media wilderness again.

Rightly back on thread! you are completely correct Bradford seem to have the Red Hall seniors running after them left, right & centre! and I don't accept it is just the involvement of the ownership of the ground by the RFL. I just hope someone will kick up a stink before the World Cup Final, the matter of what is happening or not happening in London has to be given higher profile, because as you say after the 2nd December, it will be all just forgotten and I'm sure that Halifax are prepared.

the thought of fax/fev stepping up for 1 season before being relegated is quite ridiculous. They (fairly IMHO) would request protection from relegation....but even the RFL wouldn't grant that to them after rejecting our request.......would they


Championship club chairmen should avoid stepping up in 2014 like the plague....we aren't the only club that is wobbling. ST sales will have taken a hammering as a result of the RLWC........Bradford have little capital and a target of 10,000 sales....the good Dr will soon lose interest if Salford aren't near the top and Wakefield are living hand to mouth......other clubs will spend to avoid the drop......a step up for a ch club would be poison!

I really fail to see how the RFL can release fixtures including a club that has no home ground. It just sounds so utterly unprofessional.

What makes you say Koukash will soon lose interest? That's a completely baseless statement made to suit your angle.

Remains to be seen.......he doesn't come across as a patient man...

Why would season tickets take a hammering? For London yes but the rest of SL the RLWC should be helpful.

ST sales would take 2nd place to RLWC Tickets/Travel/Accommodation etc.....

The delights of Gutterfax's never ending cynicism. You need help.

I'm also not totally convinced with the good Dr! he has no grounding in the game, it was only from his young son watching St Helens, it was rumoured locally that he tried to invest in Saints, but nothing as we know came of it. Then he wanted to take over the two Oldham clubs football and RL, discussions did not go as fast as he wanted so he is now looking at Swinton? and he is still not happy that he just can't spend whatever he wanted to bring success, Koukash wants to develop the ground around the ground with sports bars and a casino, to try and attract the major businessmen who may also then take boxes. At one time when Snape was owner Friday night's were Top at The Weaste, he did it with big money signings. I really hope that Dr Koukash does give it time, he has named one of his horses after Noble and they both goes to races together, but very successful businessman do not like not being at the Top of the Game. We need more like him, but can we allow those with money to buy success over the rest? is that going backwards?

That's so obvious that there's no point in saying it.

However, what do you think they should do as an alternative?

As has been shown in the opus that is Bill Eve's attendance thread, UK Based RL fans have been loathe to attend games that aren't included on their Season Tickets. This RLWC has mobilised an army of fans, many of whom have purchased tickets in the week preceding the games. Normally in November, Season Tickets and next seasons shirts are the main RL purchases, but 300K+ tickets with 250K of these in the heartlands have been taking up this RL income.
There is the flip side of this coin, in that interest in the game will soar and ST's will increase in their numbers...which would be an outstanding result.

As for me needing help.....I wasn't aware that everything had to be rosy to warrant debate on here.

I don't see any set of circumstances where ST sales in SL will reduce as a result of a successful World Cup. It's just negativity for the sake of it.

Marwan Koukash’s young son is infact two years old. What really happened was Eamon McManus invited him as a guest to St Helens a couple of occasions, Koukash fell in love with the sport and said he would like to get involved if the opportunity arose at St Helens as it was his local team. On an unrelated business trip to Dubai, he (fortunately for us) sat next to Nigel Wood who mentioned Salford City Reds and the rest is history. With regards to Oldham FC and RLFC, he was dealing with two different owners with two very different agendas. Since his interest in those clubs Swinton have found themselves in serious financial troubles and as they are within the city of Salford I think Marwan would favour investing in the Lions and reinvigorating rugby league in Salford as a whole.

He’s not happy that he cannot spend what he wants because he can see the game is not only stagnating but also going backwards. Not only can we not now attract top quality imports, we can’t even retain our best and half decent talent. As a result, the NRL and Australian game in general is improving and getting stronger where as the Super League is weakening by the year. Koukash has named a horse after Brian Noble, Rangi Chase, Adrian Morley and soon Martin Gleeson too.

As someone who has been part of Koukash’s 11 months reign thus far, the sport needs many more men like him. He isn’t a flash in the pan, the man is passionate about the sport and will openly admit he has fell in love with all thing Salford RLFC and rugby league. I have no doubts the man will deliver when he promises trophies at Salford, look at what he has done thus far? Whilst our team for 2014 isnt good enough to win the league, it is a damn site better than what we had this season and if we can continue with that kind of gradual progression we’ll be challenging the top 4 in no time.

Thanks for that Dr

My error about his son, I know he has 5 children, perhaps one of his elder daughters showed some interest in the Saints< My Mother is from Rainford where he lives, and there are many different stories of his connections to St Helens and McManus, even in the media.

I have no doubt he is a very successful businessman, when you think how it is only a short period since he started with one horse! perhaps more as a hobby! and I have always praised him and said how good he is for the game, his many great business contacts it would be good for the game if he may introduce one to the London Club I support!

I stand by that success is not so easy to come, money does not buy everything, look at the money our owner has put into the club, Manchester has the same problem as we do, people in the main in Manchester do not take to rugby league that easy, the old Salford Club was based around a tight community and then Friday night rugby attracted many neutral supporters, I used to attend a lot! It will be interesting if the team is successful will it attract large attendances? it has not worked that way with Huddersfield. Why is it that a failing Sale club at one time, doing a little better this season attracted larger attendances at the same ground?

I wish Salford and The Good Doctor every success!

Negativity for the sake of it would be "the RLWC will have no lasting impact on the game in the UK".....I am questioning ST sales and it remains to be seen if it impacts on ST sales.......regardless of the RLWC being successful or not, money that would have been spent on ST's so far may well have been invested in RLWC games, travel, accommodation. It's a valid point, not negative for the sake of it.

I doubt it after investing (unsecured) so much time & money into the club. He wont walk away. He has over 100 horses and only 20 or so win regularly so he is used to failure! No I think hes in it for the long haul and there have been some good signings already for 2015 some from your Country.

Happened last year with Salford matey.

it's quite funny how a thread about London Bronco's survival can be turned into yet another Dr. Koukash slagging off thread lol

Although I am a life-long Salford fan I hope London find their own Dr. K. who can re-invigorate the club and drive it forward. Not only because RL needs a strong, successful London presence but because I got my wife into watching this sport - she chose the Broncos as her club as she's originally from Walthamstow.