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| . Keep up the good work
SL. Played 16, Lost 15 won 1
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| And I'm sure that if you pop down and let the Warriors under-20's coach know he's a park footie coach he'll be OK with that - which is what Joey was primarily doing as I understand it. I also believe he was recommended by Jamie Soward. I know he inherited a scratch squad with no pre-season in SL, which I doubt Wayne Bennett could have done a lot with. As a note, we beat Skolars in the friendly, so 1 from 3.
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| Joey did seem to be out of his depth. To be fair he inherited a squad in SL that was full of talent but thrown together at the last minute so had missed pre season fitness and skills training.
On the flip side some people are good at being assistants (coaches) and struggle with the step up to head coach where you pick up additional duties including managing a number of coaches, press conferences, contract issues, interacting with the club board, creating a club culture and tone...........
He was a nice guy with a high moral standing and probably a very good choice to work with youngsters.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"I'd actually put it down to Steve Devonshire myself.....the level of 2-way dialogue since he's been back is the best since the 2007 season.'" Of course you put it down to Steve Devonshire, but that says nothing about who at the club interacts with the fans, and everything about how you interact with the club. Your relationship is an entirely virtual one, so you will only see the interaction via electronic media. You will claim to be able to comment on the match day experience because you read match reports and watch highlights. But they won't tell you who was out on the pitch after the game encouraging players to walk over and acknowledge the fans after many years of that not happening. They won't tell you was encouraging the players to come into the bar to talk and engage with the fans after several years of that not happening. And let me give you a clue, it wasn't Steve Devonshire and it wasn't a cabbage, it was Joey.
Quote ="Jim Pooley"Let's just agree to disagree on how and why this re-engagement happened.'" So of course when you realise you're out of your depth you resort to deflection tactics. Because "let's agree to disagree" actually means "of damn it, I can't really argue about how people behave on matchday because I'm not there"
Quote ="Jim Pooley"the players AND THE COACH have no excuses for it.....he was out of his depth.'" I reserved judgement on his coaching abilities because he wasn't there long enough. And I still reserve judgement.
Quote ="Jim Pooley"Come on. There's only a handful of you
'" And so we get to your latest obsession, that we are all a cosy little clique with David Hughes. I'll repeat what I said before, which you deliberately ignored because it was inconvenient. David Hughes doesn't come in the bar. He has no idea who I am. He has no idea who most of the membership holders are. If we didn't have Broncos shirts on he'd probably assume we were involved with Barnet FC.
Quote ="Jim Pooley"You've probably heard it already, but the story of how the final disengagement between players and fans happened was when Powell asked Mackay if the players could be excused going into the bar after games and after asking Hughes, permission was given.'" So I talk about who helped re-engage with the fans, and you go back to talking about who stopped it in the first place. Let me spell this out for you. We know who stopped the engagement with the fans. WE WERE THERE. WE SAW IT WITH OUR OWN EYES. Repeating it ad infinitum informs no-one and will change nothing that has already gone. Powell and Mackay are long gone, why are you still indulging in Gustalgia?
Quote ="Jim Pooley"Hughes employed MacKay and Powell.........the prosecution rests M'lud!'" Prosecution for what???? I praised Joey Grima for helping re-engage the fans and you come up with an utter irrelevance. It's not relevant to what I wrote, it's not relavant to the thread.
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| So.....to clarify. You are adamant that grima wasn't at the club long enough to be judged as a coach, but you 100% put down the reconnection with fans as his doing? You are not one ofva comparative handful of remaining fans but consider your opinion stronger than nine because you are there.
All I'll say is that if this reconnection is so good and you're not a clique, then how come the other 3,000 missing fans haven't flocked back? Grimas job was to coach, then select and coach a squad of professional rugby league players and in that he 100% failed.....everything else is just window dressing
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"So.....to clarify. You are adamant that grima wasn't at the club long enough to be judged as a coach, but you 100% put down the reconnection with fans as his doing? You are not one ofva comparative handful of remaining fans but consider your opinion stronger than nine because you are there.
All I'll say is that if this reconnection is so good and you're not a clique, then how come the other 3,000 missing fans haven't flocked back? Grimas job was to coach, then select and coach a squad of professional rugby league players and in that he 100% failed.....everything else is just window dressing'"
That's not what I said, you have twisted my words to suit your own agenda. As usual.
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| Quote ="Perry"That's not what I said, you have twisted my words to suit your own agenda. As usual.'"
Yes it is. here we go AGAIN!
1. Quote ="Perry" I reserved judgement on his coaching abilities because he wasn't there long enough. And I still reserve judgement.'"
2. Quote ="Perry"Your relationship is an entirely virtual one, so you will only see the interaction via electronic media. You will claim to be able to comment on the match day experience because you read match reports and watch highlights.'"
I responded:
Quote ="Jim Pooley"So.....to clarify. [uYou are adamant that grima wasn't at the club long enough to be judged as a coach[/u, but you 100% put down the reconnection with fans as his doing? [uYou are not one of a comparative handful of remaining fans but consider your opinion stronger than nine because you are there.
[/uAll I'll say is that if this reconnection is so good and you're not a clique, then how come the other 3,000 missing fans haven't flocked back? Grimas job was to coach, then select and coach a squad of professional rugby league players and in that he 100% failed.....everything else is just window dressing'"
I've underlined the relevant bits that you accuse me of twisting....the last sentence is an observation made from the facts available, as in we're down shed loads of fans and he won 2 competitive games in 19 meaning he wasn't a very good coach.......not a case of me mis-representing anything.
I can dance this dance all day and night with you. What gets your back up was that regardless of the repetitiveness and negativity of my posts, I was spot on in my predictions. Long term fans of the club, with 3+ times the years I have are declaring that this is it for them, but you'd rather scream loud and accuse me of lying rather than accept that I was and am right in this instance. Go on.....complain to a moderator. It's all your good for.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Go on.....complain to a moderator. It's all your good for.
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Go on, cause me of something I've never done and then talk down to me with an emoji as usual. Oh look. you already have.
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| Quote ="Perry"Go on, cause me of something I've never done and then talk down to me with an emoji as usual. Oh look. you already have.'"
1. You incessantly continue along the lines of "gutterfax = personal abuse" when in fact, other than maybe a dozen times in 20,000 = posts he did no such thing....but you do so hoping toattract the attention of a passing moderator. So you do whine to the authorities!
2. You resort to "patronising comments" about me not being there so not knowing, ignoring the facts that I have called pretty much everything spot on since 2009 in regards to the club and it's failings, so yes, I will talk down to you.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"1. You incessantly continue along the lines of "gutterfax = personal abuse" when in fact, other than maybe a dozen times in 20,000 = posts he did no such thing....but you do so hoping toattract the attention of a passing moderator. So you do whine to the authorities!
2. You resort to "patronising comments" about me not being there so not knowing, ignoring the facts that I have called pretty much everything spot on since 2009 in regards to the club and it's failings, so yes, I will talk down to you.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Yes it is. here we go AGAIN!
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I've underlined the relevant bits that you accuse me of twisting....the last sentence is an observation made from the facts available, as in we're down shed loads of fans and he won 2 competitive games in 19 meaning he wasn't a very good coach.......not a case of me mis-representing anything.
I can dance this dance all day and night with you. What gets your back up was that regardless of the repetitiveness and negativity of my posts, I was spot on in my predictions. Long term fans of the club, with 3+ times the years I have are declaring that this is it for them, but you'd rather scream loud and accuse me of lying rather than accept that I was and am right in this instance. Go on.....complain to a moderator. It's all your good for.
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| I really do not know why people are rattling on about Joey Grima. He was probably a decent man, but I think he was not the right man to coach our club.
I am glad he has gone, much prefer Hendo.
Joey Grima to me, is just another name to add to the list of poor appointments made by David Hughes.
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| I only praised him for helping re-engage with the fans. I didn't say I'd prefer him to Hendo.
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| It's a long line of assistant coaches taking over since our slow and torturous decline beginning 2006. Tony Rea leaves to be replaced by his assistant coach Brian McDermott. Brian McDermott leaves to be replaced by his assistant coach Rob Powell. Rob Powell sacked and Tony Rea re-appointed (assistant coach with the Brumbies union team at that point) then leaves unexpectedly mid season. His assistant coach Joey Grima appointed then leaves unexpectedly mid season. His assistant coach Andrew Henderson appointed.... so you get the picture... there are a lot of assistant coach's taking the role of head coach in those painful 9 years.
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| Of course it could be argued that the role of assistant coach is an apprenticeship for the head coach role, and that these promotions were all part of the normal way of things. But then again this is London Broncos, and the normal order of things is ill thought out, panic appointments.
I suspect part of the problem is that head coaches with bona fide credentials simply aren't interested in taking the job.
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| I would rather have an assistant coach promoted to head coach, than take on some has been coach who has failed at other clubs.
However we have not been in a position to take on a coach who is at the top of his game. We have to give someone early in his managerial career a chance.
That is the market we are in.
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| Quote ="Bostwick"I would rather have an assistant coach promoted to head coach, than take on some has been coach who has failed at other clubs.
However we have not been in a position to take on a coach who is at the top of his game. We have to give someone early in his managerial career a chance.
That is the market we are in.'"
True, but in Hendo we seem to have a bit of a gem. Hoping that none of the bigger clubs are keeping tabs on him.
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| We all know they are, and when he takes a look at our new 'home' it may help make up his mind when he gets a tempting offer.
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| Quote ="Thecranewife"Drone'"
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Then he posts his stats as gutterfax, and posts something abusive.
You couldn't make it up.
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| Quote ="Perry"I love the way 'Jim Pooley's entire pitch is that he isn't gutterfax, and isn't abusive.
Then he posts his stats as gutterfax, and posts something abusive.
You couldn't make it up.'"
Flattered, I'm sure
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| Well good luck to the bloke. Nice enough person with his heart in the right place. A number of positive ideas but misjudged the scale of rot in the club and the requirements of the challenge. And ultimately maybe not the right person to drag it kicking and screaming into being a contender.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Flattered, I'm sure'"
Abusive, I'm sure.
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| Quote ="Perry"Abusive, I'm sure.'"
Whilst your infatuation with me is both worrying and flattering, let's get this thread back on topic shall we?
As I said on the first page:
Quote ="Jim Pooley"You could have replaced Grima with a cabbage and it would have been improvement.'"
...now, according to some, his legacy (sic) is that the players interact with the fans more than they had done in the previous years. Each to their own I suppose, but when I look at a head coach and his traits, being able to coach the side would be pretty high up on the wish list, as would the ability to spot the areas that nee improving after each game and working on them. I'd also expect his recruitment skills to stretch past jobs for his mates, one of whom was retired but found it hard to turn down the cash on offer.
Joe Grima was a cast iron failure in his time at the Club to the extent that even though he walked after 3 games this year, he'd already destroyed this season in its entirety. The gullibility of Hughes at the season Launch in town declaring that the squad assembled by Grima, the one that had a full off season to gel (except for the mates who rolled up late) was good enough to geut us back in to superleague underlines that whilst Grima was pants, Hughes again has to accept his judgement has cost the club again.
I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't sit well with some on here, but that's the purpose of a forum. To discuss topics from differing viewpoints....not to whine when someone posts something you don't agree with and in my opinion, Grima was a farcical failure and reality TV is probably where he belongs.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Whilst your infatuation with me is both worrying and flattering, let's get this thread back on topic shall we?'" If you don't start the personal attacks the thread won't drift. Simple.
Quote ="Jim Pooley"You could have replaced Grima with a cabbage and it would have been improvement.'" And I dared to praise Grima for something, cue the attack dogs from you.
Quote ="Jim Pooley"The gullibility of Hughes at the season Launch in town declaring that the squad assembled by Grima, the one that had a full off season to gel (except for the mates who rolled up late) was good enough to geut us back in to superleague underlines that whilst Grima was pants, Hughes again has to accept his judgement has cost the club again.'" So David Hughes was gullible was he? And that's why we're where we are? Let me remind you of this... Quote ="Jim Pooley"I was guilty of saying we'd only play 4 toigh games this year before the 8's and I was wrong....'" Looks like Mr Hughes wasn't the only gullible one around here.
We didn't fail this season because of Grima or David Hughes, we failed because we had no props and ran into a load of big, hard, tough nut, part-time packs who've driven us up the middle. We got found out.
You and Hughes both got it wrong, along with Grima, the players, and many others.
Quote ="Jim Pooley"that's the purpose of a forum. To discuss topics from differing viewpoints....'" Oh how I wish you'd follow your own advice.
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