Dont we play in the summer?

3 teams on one pitch is no big deal if its managed correctly. There are no big stands to prevent the sun getting at the grass.

Artificial pitches aren't allowed at any level of football from Conference North/South upwards.

Yes correct at present, but at the end of May this year "3G4US" was formed by 50 lower league clubs from The Premiership to campaign for the use of 3G pitches due to the loss of games last season. Interesting to see Cardiff Blues are looking at 4G as well for Cardiff Arms Park to follow the success of Saracens at Allianz Park.

Three teams at the City of Salford Stadium. Salford, Sale and Man Utd under 21s and academy.
Leyther_Matt didn't Leigh, Swinton and Blackburn under 21s all play at the Sports Village last season.

So you want a penniless non-league football club to spend out a minimum of 40k so your club can play there? I can't see it making any good business sense to do that.

I believe that Women's Football takes place in the Summer so Barnet's ladies would be playing throughout the summer and with Barnet back on it in August and playing through winter, I can't see how it would be good for Barnet, as they're the main priority here, to rent their ground out to a third club.

However, Barnet aren't an orthodox club. They currently have a manager in charge that has made himself captain, given himself the number one shirt, doesn't bother going to northern away games and regularly flies out of the country with no notice, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Broncos there.

The Salford stadium doesn't have regular Man United U21 games and neither does Leigh's.

One of the clubs campaigning hard for artificial pitches is Maidstone, aren't they in the Isthmian League? for some clubs it is being able to play mostly when fixtures are planned, rather than a midweek rearrangement! It allows all the club's lower team games to be played there as well, but as I said 50 lower league clubs want these pitches.

Yes they did, and will do next year as well I think.

The FA won't allow these, the 50 teams you believe want them (as a Football fan of a lower league team, I have heard nothing about what you say) have no power unless the FA change their mind but I have seen nothing to suggest they will.

I know they're allowed in Scotland but that hasn't stopped games being postponed as ice freezes on these surfaces in big, thick sheets making it unsafe to play on.

The main reason smaller clubs want these pitches is that they can rent them out left, right and centre unlike a traditional pitch. Not only do you get pitch hire fees but your bar take goes up. Having watched a game at Maidstone I have no real objection to them in terms of quality.

I expect the FA will back down at some point, not just yet though. They are a game changer for lower level sports teams if run properly.

Yes and so is women's super league football.

In any ensuing confusion we might even scrape the odd win or two.

Quote ="Moe Lester"The FA won't allow these, the 50 teams you believe want them (as a Football fan of a lower league team, I have heard nothing about what you say) have no power unless the FA change their mind but I have seen nothing to suggest they will.'" You say Moe you have never heard of the campaign, well I have and I support a Premiership team, 50 clubs are a lot to start a campaign, which may grow. As Halfdan of t'wide embrace states, lower league clubs need to maximise every income flow they can find, use of it regular and bar takings mean a lot when you may struggle. The FA may be wary at first, but I would never say they won't allow it. https://twitter.com/3G4US

Quote ="Moe Lester"The FA won't allow these, the 50 teams you believe want them (as a Football fan of a lower league team, I have heard nothing about what you say) have no power unless the FA change their mind but I have seen nothing to suggest they will.'" You say Moe you have never heard of the campaign, well I have and I support a Premiership team, 50 clubs are a lot to start a campaign, which may grow. As Halfdan of t'wide embrace states, lower league clubs need to maximise every income flow they can find, use of it regular and bar takings mean a lot when you may struggle. The FA may be wary at first, but I would never say they won't allow it. https://twitter.com/3G4US

Moe you are wrong about Man Utd at Barton they have played all their under 21 champions league games at Barton and are scheduled to play under 18 games in fact the only games not played are those that clash with Salford/Sale fixtures or those the FA say have to be at O T
Ps on the amount of games in the pitch Salford also
play all their academy gsmes at Barton.

Quote ="jaybs"You say Moe you have never heard of the campaign, well I have and I support a Premiership team, 50 clubs are a lot to start a campaign, which may grow. As Halfdan of t'wide embrace states, lower league clubs need to maximise every income flow they can find, use of it regular and bar takings mean a lot when you may struggle. The FA may be wary at first, but I would never say they won't allow it. https://twitter.com/3G4US'" Let's be honest, you're lying. You're not telling anything that is the truth but clutching at straws in the blind hope that something will come off for your benefit. There is no such campaign that involves 50 Football League sides as a quick Google search will tell you. Yes, what you say about income is correct but I believe that Barnet's The Hive facilities already has a 4G pitch there so they have that as a source of income. As for that Twitter page, it's laughable that you'd use that to back your lies up. If there was such a campaign they'd have more followers than that.

Quote ="jaybs"You say Moe you have never heard of the campaign, well I have and I support a Premiership team, 50 clubs are a lot to start a campaign, which may grow. As Halfdan of t'wide embrace states, lower league clubs need to maximise every income flow they can find, use of it regular and bar takings mean a lot when you may struggle. The FA may be wary at first, but I would never say they won't allow it. https://twitter.com/3G4US'" Let's be honest, you're lying. You're not telling anything that is the truth but clutching at straws in the blind hope that something will come off for your benefit. There is no such campaign that involves 50 Football League sides as a quick Google search will tell you. Yes, what you say about income is correct but I believe that Barnet's The Hive facilities already has a 4G pitch there so they have that as a source of income. As for that Twitter page, it's laughable that you'd use that to back your lies up. If there was such a campaign they'd have more followers than that.

Quote ="Moe Lester"Let's be honest, you're lying. You're not telling anything that is the truth but clutching at straws in the blind hope that something will come off for your benefit. There is no such campaign that involves 50 Football League sides as a quick Google search will tell you. As for that Twitter page, it's laughable that you'd use that to back your lies up. If there was such a campaign they'd have more followers than that.'" Oh dear Moe, is that not a little strong or over the top accusing me of "your'e lying" and "You're not telling anything that is the truth" I have a friend who works with Maidstone United, who first told me. www.maidstoneunited.co.uk/3g4us/

Quote ="Moe Lester"Let's be honest, you're lying. You're not telling anything that is the truth but clutching at straws in the blind hope that something will come off for your benefit. There is no such campaign that involves 50 Football League sides as a quick Google search will tell you. As for that Twitter page, it's laughable that you'd use that to back your lies up. If there was such a campaign they'd have more followers than that.'" Oh dear Moe, is that not a little strong or over the top accusing me of "your'e lying" and "You're not telling anything that is the truth" I have a friend who works with Maidstone United, who first told me. www.maidstoneunited.co.uk/3g4us/

First time I've seen the Hive on tv as Barnet FC being shown, the facilities look fantastic.

Surely, the issue of how much use is made of the main pitch is up to the stadium owners. Three teams one, ( the hosts) a soccer team a pro Rugby league team and a ladies football team is not terribly excessive. Salford, wigan, Hull FC seem to cope to name a few clubs. And why this attack on JAYBS? A bigger issue for Barnet surely is to strike a deal with the RFL over concessions because running a pro Rugby League Club is incredibly expensive. Especially one with a tiny fan base and almost zero players and no sensible backers and a useless CEO!!!!! To call the poster a liar MOE is imo out of order. Does this forum self moderate? Whoosh!!!!!!!!!

Maidstone United fan here.



@ you.

I didn't expect any sort of argument from yourself and I'm not surprised or shocked that you're on your high horse on that moral high ground again.

What Jaybs posted was utter drivel and a waste of a bash of keyboard. There is no such campaign involving 50 clubs, a quick Google search proves that. If 50 non-league teams have a campaign, it is kept very quiet as I've heard nothing about that and I'm a regular visitor to South East non-league sides and a regular reader of the Non-League Paper. There is no point in challenging the FA, as a fan of a club who begged for help from the FA but had their pleas swept under the carpet, 50 non-league clubs will have no voice whatsoever.

As for Barnet, they already have a 4G at their Hive facility. Another 4G pitch will cost an immense amount of money for a side like Barnet who've probably made a loss in the last year by getting relegated to the Conference and leaving Underhill. They also cannot have a 4G pitch as their home pitch as it is currently not allowed by the FA in the Football League or the Conference (although a can of worms will be opened when Maidstone get promoted).

The problem with talking with Barnet is the fact that there will be a third side at The Hive should the Broncos move in. With women playing Football all summer and Barnet playing throughout winter a Rugby League team would make it very hard for Barnet to keep their pitch up to scratch. It almost gives the pitch no recovery time or a rest period and with a poor winter on the cards for many years, there would be a risk to Barnet that they'd end up playing on a heap. Yes, an extra source of income would be vital to building a side good enough for League Football again but you can guarantee that the blame would lie solely at the feet of the Broncos should the pitch deteriorate. The Broncos would also be the first kicked off in any event of re-seeding or re-laying at The Hive and with no real history of heavy use, it remains unknown how well the pitch would stand up to the usage that could take place.

Moe,

If I had accused someone here on the forum of ""your'e lying" and "You're not telling anything that is the truth" I feel a moderator would have told me to withdraw it or warned me! We can all have different opinions! that I accept as much as everyone, but why you feel you know better than anyone is beyond me! and now what I was posted was "utter drivel" I feel it is you making a fool of yourself, and it is not needed.

This afternoon I have contacted "3G4US" to seem some clarification, and told them this is after being accused of "telling lies" about them.

You also accuse me of mentioning 3G pitches and the 3G4US lobby as "You're not telling anything that is the truth, but clutching at straws in the blind hope that something will come off for your benefit" what benefit am I going to obtain in lower league clubs possibly adopting 3G pitches? that is even more laughable. I don't work for any 3G pitch supplier or manufacturer. In the early days of artificial pitches there were problems! but they have greatly improved now, and if they help clubs with their financial flow then it is all for the better, be it with games not being cancelled or using the pitch more for other sports.

Moe, as I said disagree with me, which is your right, but please don't accuse me of telling lies and not telling the truth, when you only rely on nothing better than a google search, thanks.

Meanwhile, back at the Thread..........


....fixtures announced today, "away" teams/fans will be looking to arrange transport/accommodation etc as early as possible to save cash....but where do they book?

The potential landlord (and possible investor) is getting itchy feet and whilst the RFL are happy to approve/reject/approve staff at Bradford, they seem incapable of sorting out a bigger banana skin in London.....the RFL have screamed for the attention of the media over the last 4 weeks.....us blowing up would be a PR nightmare for them.
If DH wants to play "chicken" with them again, I'd suggest the next 2 weeks is as good a time as any because come December 2nd, the game will be back in the media wilderness again.

Rightly back on thread! you are completely correct Bradford seem to have the Red Hall seniors running after them left, right & centre! and I don't accept it is just the involvement of the ownership of the ground by the RFL. I just hope someone will kick up a stink before the World Cup Final, the matter of what is happening or not happening in London has to be given higher profile, because as you say after the 2nd December, it will be all just forgotten and I'm sure that Halifax are prepared.

the thought of fax/fev stepping up for 1 season before being relegated is quite ridiculous. They (fairly IMHO) would request protection from relegation....but even the RFL wouldn't grant that to them after rejecting our request.......would they


Championship club chairmen should avoid stepping up in 2014 like the plague....we aren't the only club that is wobbling. ST sales will have taken a hammering as a result of the RLWC........Bradford have little capital and a target of 10,000 sales....the good Dr will soon lose interest if Salford aren't near the top and Wakefield are living hand to mouth......other clubs will spend to avoid the drop......a step up for a ch club would be poison!