As far as the Sky pundits are concerned BM is immune from criticism when it comes to our side,
Always has been and always will be. Fullsome praise particularly from his namesake Barry is never far
away. Whether we have been steamrollered or had a rare win its the same old script.

And so yes its hardly surprising to hear yet more talking of up Mac.

Personally I hope he does get the Bulls job to allow him to progress, as we by the sound of it are holding
him back. If he goes I genuinely hope he does well. But yes FWIW I agree with most here in that a change is required.

I=#FF0000 would go will all that with the exception of the end of PB. He has done a reasonable job when you consider the poor form, the recession and the World Cup. There may even be an increase in gates this season. Definitely get Welsi on board, for media purposes, player recruitment and strategy, he would make a good replacement for CW. Gutters is left field but that is what we need to get the attention of the local populace.

Brian must go. Paul Blanchard should remain. If we are to bring in a former player to coach he must be attractive to work with, an RL legend. Henry Paul would be ideal rather than someone popular but average.

Yeah, let's get Henry back!


(and Marty too).

Jim Dymock anyone-coaching in Aus

Dan I realise he isnt as good looking as Henry and Marty

<in gutterfax mode> Give Paul Blanchard a decent budget to work with.

There's very little in here to disagree with as far as I am concerned, I think appointing JW or another recent former player could be a great move.JW is articulate and close enough to the 1st team to carry out a CE role and would do a good job for us as the 'face ' of the club. Definitely agree with the kit move, outside of those that follow RL most people see one of our shirts and think its a RU one - the red/yellow/blue quarters would give us a distinctive look and most importantly it would be ours! The black Fulham style kit would be great as our away strip. I've long banged on to anyone who'll listen about bringing in a young coach from the NRL (someone like Nathan Brown for example) - if results improve it would make GF's job easier to sell RL to the public of London and the South.

I'm not exactly bothered if Mac goes or stays. If you look at the clubs that are at the top (Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Warrington) they all have massive strength in depth in terms of their squads. Tony Smith has created a huge squad full of quality at Wires, with each player playing for his position. If there's an injury, they have players of almost equal quality coming in to plug the gaps. Ditto Leeds- you saw how they outclassed us even with quite a few of their best players out.

If you look at a team like Catalans, they have similar problems to us in that they've had a lot of injuries and lack the strength and depth.

However, injuries permitting, we do have a squad that can be in the top half of the table, as shown last season. Their have been flashes of that quality this year, but we're clearly heading in a downward trajectory. Maybe a better coach could get better results out of a, at times, threadbare squad? Or at least instiute signings and sacking that would move the club forward...

The tone we play? Over this season, I have only been frustrated by our overall performance once, and that was when we got beat at home by Salford. Our game plan has been effective to an extent - people complain that the forwards aren't setting the platform, but to me they are, and its our backs that are letting us down big style.

You think another coach would do a better job re: players, training plan etc? Clutching at straws springs to mind. If we are talking about accountability than whoever appointed McDermott should take responsibility.

Thank you BroncOnIon, this is exactly what I was getting at.

Henry Paul? Are you having a laugh?

Who cares about the shirt! It makes 0 DIFFERENCE. We are Harlequins RL, we should wear a Harlequins shirt for a prolonged period of time and people will begin to accept it, rather than shifting back to the colours of two failed eras that have no association to our current club whatsoever.

I notice that the team are practically IMMUNE from any criticism on here. In fact, I don't think I've seen a bad word written about any of our players all season, yet we are practically bottom of the league. But yes, of course, it must be Brian McDermott's fault

He has no strategy and no consistency so how can we expect that from the team. They are not played in the same positions three weeks in a row. Look at Senior for Leeds or Cunningham for Saints. They play consistently in position and DELIVER!
Dorny and Orr in the miiddle were brilliant - a couple of times. At HKR where was Dorn?? Lighthouse duty!!!!??
McDermott is not as committed as he was at the beginning. Maybe his family living up north and him being down here is something to do with it but
please
give up or get on with it. We deserve better. Who can blame the young un's if Bl**dy O**iah comes round with £ signs in his eyes and a contract for up north.
that's it - rant over

The threads about BM staying or going, not the team. As far as the team goes I think most supporters accept that with few exceptions we have very average players supported by inexperienced and as yet unproven youngsters. There has been plenty of negative comment since the middle of last season about the abilities of some players and the players BM has brought to the club. I know it`s boring but as has already been stated this is the team that BM has put together which he is responsible for coaching the best out of, so the buck stops with him. I am not sure why we should be keen to retain a coach with such an awful track record (20% success rate). BM came to us as an assitant coach, not the finished article and with everything to prove.......despite the good press he always gets on SKY we have been in a steady decline and I am not sure he has proved that he is a quality head coach with huge potential......if anything probably the opposite.

Why does David Hughes never say a word about what is going on at the club? It defies belief that somebody is prepared to fund a sinking ship to such an extent without seeming to give a damn about how bad things actually are.

Tough one this. If PB has a minimal budget for promotion, then it is his job to ask for this to be increased. He is the GM of the business and should know, better than anyone else, what is needed to make the club more self sufficient. DH controls the purse strings, but surely he must see that just filling the gap at the end of each year is not the way forward........he should be prepared to fork out say 50 grand as a central marketing budget, with another 15k per game, allocated at the start of the season. This (I am sure that I will get the maths wrong....but here goes anyway...) will provide a pot of around 250k for the season.
This money (and it's a fair chunk of change by comparison to what has been available before IMO) would give the marketing department buying power....in that they wouldn't be looking to get the best deal at the expense of less exposure. That said, the marketing department should not get all giddy and waste cash on London Newspapers, but concentrate on the local population......it's all well and good spending 10k on a page in Metro, but that 10k spent locally will get a better ROI in my opinion.

I believe that PB has tried his hardest this year to make a silk purse etc.......but as wire-quin has pointed out, the buck stops at the top of the food chain and that's where he is.

Lastly.....I did want the marketing job at Quins RL, but looking back at my posts from the last 2 years or so, I would think it's fair to say that I have been busy with the swan vestas beside that particular bridge

voted, but could just as easily not have done - so bored with this lot have I become.
On the whole we are the most dull side in the league - even a kear coached wakey look more exciting than we do most of the time.
If all we can do is grind it up the field in one out rugby than why would fans pay to watch it. Its boring and all we do is lose.
tactically its comical - lost count of the times when the suns been blinding bright and we've....grubbered it into the shade. ...jokes

but you posted it anyway.......and you were right, but you managed to smoke Rupe1 out of the woodwork and for that you should get a weeks rest from posting


40 people out of 55 think he should go......so that's the entire squad + 10 fans if you ask me.......regardless of:
injuries,
bad luck,
refs being bias,
no crowds to cheer the team on....
boo bloody hoo, it's not fair...
the dog ate my homework......
or any other excuses you can think of, the current coach is the worst the club have had in Superleague.....the stats don't lie Listy....he has had 4 years and made no progress. 26% is the current win ratio this season......1 in 4 FFS


The players you say are underperforming are his players....he signed them....he signed Tony Clubb for 4 more years for Gods sake....after the worst 12 months of performance in the lads short career to date.....4 years

and yet you still blindly defend him.
You started this thread to put over your reasons for keeping him. You say I use stats to suit my argument....but you still give no valid reason for him to stay other than it's unreasonable to blame him and not the players......so, I will help you.

[uOption 1:[/u

Sack him and at least 10 of the current squad with him. If we are going to get tonked IN 21 GAMES in 2011, I'd rather we did it with a young LONDON team...spending 50% of what we are currently wasting on average players........so there you have it....I am not blaming just him, but also the players too. I'm also blaming the management who agreed to pay over the odds in wages to the squad....I'd let them go too. In fact, sack the bloody lot of them!.........

.......or,
[uOption 2:[/u

try to get to the root of the problem on the pitch...

either he isn't coaching them properly SACK HIM
or they aren't paying any attention to what he says SACK HIM
or a combination of both SACK HIM

or
[uOption 3:[/u

Carry on as usual...watch the young Londoners learn from their average team mates and an inept coach......become used to losing and it being acceptable to the coach......watch the crowds get smaller, watch the club become more insular and protective of a coach that they will soon forget "why they are defending him".....and then plan your route to away games at Barrow, Leigh, Tolouse etc in a few years time......not saying we won't get a licence, just pointing out that DH has said he wants to reduce his spend......so your beloved coach will soon have even less money to waste on 2nd row forwards and we will finish in the bottom 3, in the first 3 years of the licence system.

Yes and McDermott is in a completely different situation to the other coaches we have had in Super League. Why do you refuse to look into the reasons why we are struggling, instead of placing all the blame on McDermott? It's naive and ridiculous.



I don't blindly defend him, did you not notice my thoughts on the topic of Clubb's 4 year deal? Neither of us know what happened with regards to Clubb's 4 year deal, I doubt McDermott walked up to DH and demanded a 4 year contract club, I imagine it occured after negotation between at least 3 different parties.



Are you blind? I have presented several reasons to keep him, but from your PC chair in New Zealand you somehow manage to dispell points to do with our on the field performances. Stats do lie, simple as that. We haven't been battered every game this year, and we haven't been completely inept. Plenty on here will support me in saying that in recent weeks, our low completion rate has killed us - you can tell me all you like that McDermott somehow causes these knock-ons but he doesn't, and don't give me any rubbish that he should be instilling confidence in the players. Read what I have said more carefully on this thread and on others.



Three completely ridiculous and negative options then. I can't believe you wasted 5 minutes of your life typing those out. And people used to slag me off for being negative about the club, this really takes the biscuit.

How about people stop whining, and let the club build as best they can for next season? They aren't stupid, and will move to improve the club, but it won't happen overnight and sacking the coach would just be ludicrous. Just out of interest, what RL coaching experience do you have that qualifies you to state that McDermott is "inept"? Are you aware of what he does in training, and the instructions that he dishes out to the players?

I personally believe there have been no less than six inexcusable performances this season. The Warrington away massacre, Leeds away disaster, both Hull KR thrashings home and away, the Salford home game and Wakefield away thrashing. I was there in person at all these games.

At the start of McDermott's tenure all three of Salford, Hull KR and Wakefield were either near the relegation trapdoor, soon to fall through or playing in the championship.

Salford have beaten us on three of our last four visits to the Willows and in these three we averaged a try per game whilst they have beaten us at the Stoop the last two visits. I count 3 wins out of 10 v Salford by McDermott.

We have not won once away at Wakey in his tenure and have about half and half at home. Hull KR have thrashed us in 3 of the last 4.

I genuinely believe McDermott has the worst win record of any active coach in Super League and is in the bottom ten for all Super League for wins.

We have got worse under his tenure and there is nothing better to come

This guy is in favour of Mac. Wonder if he's voted on here? www.skysports.com/opinion/story/ ... 30,00.html Quote At Quins we are fortunate in many ways to have Brian McDermott - an Englishman - in charge. It comes as no surprise to see his name linked with Bradford after what he has done for us. I have to commend Mac for the way he has approached his role since I've been here, because I feel the job is different from coaching any other club. He is not only training a first-team squad but he is also teaching people all the way down at Quins what rugby league is about. He realises that the top players aren't his sole focus, which is a difficult position to be in.'"

This guy is in favour of Mac. Wonder if he's voted on here? www.skysports.com/opinion/story/ ... 30,00.html Quote At Quins we are fortunate in many ways to have Brian McDermott - an Englishman - in charge. It comes as no surprise to see his name linked with Bradford after what he has done for us. I have to commend Mac for the way he has approached his role since I've been here, because I feel the job is different from coaching any other club. He is not only training a first-team squad but he is also teaching people all the way down at Quins what rugby league is about. He realises that the top players aren't his sole focus, which is a difficult position to be in.'"

In today's RL Express, Stevo comes out in support of Brian Mac, his column is headlined "McDermott is needed in London" He goes on to comment: "The former Bulls tough guy was a major target by Bradford, showing that his good work in London hasn't gone unnoticed." Later on he states: "I just hope that McDermott wants to stay and finish his job with the Quins. He has done a wonderful job in bringing youngsters into his squad."

Mc Nabanana removed from his post at the Bulls today!!! Could Mac be on his way earlier than expected-if at all!!

apparantly...................