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| It might well be a good thing if Broncos are forced out as PL is clearly not the answer to their current problems.
If LI were to move to PL they would be by far the bigger team even though crowd sizes would be similar. Would AFC fans welcome that? 3 years is a long time in the Premier League, Brentford may well not be in it then, particularly if Ivan Toney receives the sort of ban for his misdemeanours others have & they do struggle without him. Assuming the corrupt FA don't ban him over the close season, next season could be quite tricky for Brentford.
As a side note Smithers99, why have AFC had such a poor season on the pitch?
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| Interesting. PL would have been a good ground for us if we had an owner who invested in other parts of the club but we don't. We will only continue to go backwards under Hughes so with or without him we are looking at lower end Championship / L1 rugby league.
Hampton and Richmond Borough FC are installing a 3G surface over the summer but will probably want to use the pitch for academy and women's games. Sharing with a RL side may, however, be something that appeals to the new owners.
Perhaps a full on partnership with Rosslyn Park where we share back room staff. This would have the advantage of us getting a very good coach back (assuming they were interested).
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| The move to the East side? Of the ground has improved atmosphere and match day experience but PL is manifestly too big for us even taking into account that even some of the biggest clubs in the land have empty stands. The additional costs of training etc elsewhere are nuts. Corporate take up if numbers of sponsors is anything to go by doesn’t look like it’s gone through the roof and I completely unsighted on how much effort we’ve made to embed in the local area. It looks minimal which would make sense with such a small background staff and players etc part time. All in all if we go we go. The hope is much clearer thinking and planning is adopted by the Board before next move. Could we not pay a consultant to share their thoughts. It would cost but would it be more than what this move has cost.
On another issue I too was a bit surprised to see where AFC were in the table. What has gone wrong?
If we move to RP that stand would need to be pulled down and replaced straight away.
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| I assume that although the shares appear to have been handed to son of Hughes, he himself doesn't have the funds so still reliant on Daddy. Wonder if there would be any Lottery or Sport England grants available to upgrade the RP stand & facilities?
In any event, we are still stuck with the intransigence of Hughes & his tame Lobster.
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| Quote ="Deadcowboys1"I assume that although the shares appear to have been handed to son of Hughes, he himself doesn't have the funds so still reliant on Daddy. Wonder if there would be any Lottery or Sport England grants available to upgrade the RP stand & facilities?
In any event, we are still stuck with the intransigence of Hughes & his tame Lobster.'"
Jack Hughes plays hooker for Bedford Blues so unlikely to be able to fund the team independently.
Lobster still claims his greatest achievment on LinkedIn as restructuring and consolidating all Broncos operations at Trailfinders. He seems to do all for the Broncos these days so I assume hockey is now his main gig.
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| If we are not going to be successful in IMG plans and will be kicked out of Plough Lane and playing in the lower league , why dont we look at Imber Court in Esher.It has a rugby pitch with a 800 seater stand already, bar, good parking, two railway stations within ten minute walk and is owned by local residents who got a 35 year lease on it in about 2015.
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| Roslyn Park is well situated as a ground both by road and transport links. I think there is scope to develop the stands on most sides of the ground. There is certainly a need as I can’t see how they can get past health and safety again. The fly in the ointment is the volume of asbestos knocking around. Removing that would quadruple the cost unfortunately. IMHO they are one kid or OAP taking a spill from a big insurance claim. My feel is that as it’s RU heartland there are quite a few causal supporters in a way that we don’t seem to get at PL.
Not sure how big the crowd was today but maybe 300-400. Not bad really.
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| Firstly, it shows a lack of ambition or maybe a realisation from the exiles that 9k is their limit. Not sure of their 2022/23 average, but they were well up on Reading numbers and growing.
Secondly, are we really delivering what AFC hoped? If we stumble along with 11 gates delivering 11,000 fans all year for the food trucks etc, surely their heads will be turned by a club that can deliver them nearer 100,000.
Next. Have we yet admitted to ourselves <yes, you Hughes> that this was a huge folly? IMG aren't interested in "your" London, so what next?
Rosslyn Park, with a few Bob thrown at them might take us in as "partners", but let's face it, we're beggars now, not choosers.
I was 100% against moving to Yrailfinders, but on reflection now, moving to Plough Lane is up their with employing Gus as the biggest error the club has made under this owner.
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| Quote ="Deadcowboys1"I assume that although the shares appear to have been handed to son of Hughes, he himself doesn't have the funds so still reliant on Daddy. Wonder if there would be any Lottery or Sport England grants available to upgrade the RP stand & facilities?
In any event, we are still stuck with the intransigence of Hughes & his tame Lobster.'"
As an aside I see from Twitter feed that Mr Hughes was in attendance. I wonder where he watched the game from? I tell you where he wasn’t, in the seats in the stand ear marked for directors- seemingly about 10 of them. Some on this site have criticised Mr H for his judgement but on this occasion, his decision to give those seats a swerve was very sound.
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| If Broncos do move again they ought to consider what audience/catchment area they are trying to attract. The main issue with PL is poorish transport. Not enough parking, a hike from the tube and infrequent buses. Should Broncos aim to be the leading RL team in the south east? If they do they need to be in a stadium with good all round transport links. If they want to be a south west London team RP would probably do, but they would never progress to super league there.
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| Quote ="BigTime"As an aside I see from Twitter feed that Mr Hughes was in attendance. I wonder where he watched the game from? I tell you where he wasn’t, in the seats in the stand ear marked for directors- seemingly about 10 of them. Some on this site have criticised Mr H for his judgement but on this occasion, his decision to give those seats a swerve was very sound.'"
He was sat on the back row of the stand with his son and Stevo.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"He was sat on the back row of the stand with his son and Stevo.'"
Took his life in his hands there. One hearty cough and he’d have been through the floor!
Did you get a chance to ask him when those additional players are joining?
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| Quote ="BigTime"Took his life in his hands there. One hearty cough and he’d have been through the floor!
Did you get a chance to ask him when those additional players are joining?'" I think I would have asked him about the plan for 5k fans first
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| Quote ="jbuzza"I think I would have asked him about the plan for 5k fans first
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Which do you think will come first? A full squad or average 5k attendances.
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| Quote ="BigTime"Which do you think will come first? A full squad or average 5k attendances.'"
With him at the helm, the answer is "hell will freeze over first"
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| A regular poster on the other forum is reporting being told by an AFC fan Broncos actively want out of Plough Lane as "it's not met expectation."
Obviously this could be a rumour but it sounds right out of the Broncos playbook rule 11a, all failed groundshares are totally the fault of the ground / location / owner and nothing to do with utter incompetence from the Broncos.
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| TBF not being able to play at home between mid May and end of July was always going to be an issue.
Most other clubs who share with football los2 5 weeks not 12
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| Quote ="crashmon"TBF not being able to play at home between mid May and end of July was always going to be an issue.
Most other clubs who share with football los2 5 weeks not 12'"
This can be the only thing that potentially hasn't met expectation. Everything else is of the Broncos own doing.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"This can be the only thing that potentially hasn't met expectation. Everything else is of the Broncos own doing.'"
Could all be nonsense but I agree this is the only area where there may be doubt as to who is completely to blame. A couple of weeks overrun last season was regrettable, doubly so if hard baked into every season but there must have been some discussion about that possibility and the non availability of ground if we had a cup match added to the schedule. In any event it’s the concept of a lengthy gap in home games that is the most problematic for a club trying to embed itself in a new area - whether 5 or 7 weeks is of lesser importance. Generally AFC have been accommodating and tried to drum up interest in AFC fans ( last season at least). How did we repay that golden opportunity? By serving up rubbish in our first two home games - and as it was an entirely foreseeable outcome that golden opportunity was lost and can’t be clawed back.
They’ve made changes this season all for the good, less unnecessary stewards, fan zone, move the East stand but it only really works if you get people through the door. What have we done to get people in? What can we do with a shoestring back room staff. Is it AFCs fault we appear not to have struck a chord with local sponsors or the local community? I would think know, although that’s not to suggest it is in anyway easy.
The truth is we are in a pickle and throwing money at a big stadium was always high risk. Where do we go next though??? If we go to Roslyn Park I doubt that ground is currently acceptable for Championship standards so that would mean back to Ealing. Both do have scope for development on the plus side.
Either way I suggest we dial back on the big time rhetoric about not wanting to be housed in 3rd tier football/RU grounds. The truth is that is exactly the right space for us at the moment. (This could be said of many clubs including in SL of course).
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| It's a farce.
Highest and Loubser haven't a clue what to do and unless the Club is either taken over by or employs someone who can chew gum and walk at the same time, we're heading for obscurity....
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| Quote ="jbuzza"This can be the only thing that potentially hasn't met expectation. Everything else is of the Broncos own doing.'"
No arguements from me on this.... Broncos would alienate Ghandi, the pope or even Tripitaka the holy fool from Monkey Magic....
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| Quote ="crashmon"... or even Tripitaka the holy fool from Monkey Magic....'"
Anyone who doesn't recognise this reference doesn't know they're born. (From an egg, on a mountain top.)
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| Quote ="jbuzza"This can be the only thing that potentially hasn't met expectation. Everything else is of the Broncos own doing.'"
Very true but if we were told to only expect to be out of PL for 5 or 6 weeks....
Still makes me think what was the point of moving to PL when zero effort has been put in by Hughes to make a go of it.
If we'd stayed at Ealing we'd be able to play ALL our home matches at home, and most likely be able to host a double header at most of said home games. Just saying......
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| The Hughes version of Omertà is still very baffling. Clearly not a believer in information is power. Unless of course it's about him keeping all the information to himself. Another season aimlessly drifting by it seems.
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| According to the Times online [i"London Irish could follow Wasps and Worcester into financial meltdown - Gallagher Premiership club failed to pay their players and staff last month".
"London Irish are at risk of following Worcester Warriors and Wasps into financial meltdown after players and staff failed to receive their April salaries.
The American consortium involved in takeover talks with the Gallagher Premiership club informed all employees in a meeting on Friday that their money would not be paid on time.
A follow-up email was sent on Sunday with assurances that confirmation of payment would be received by Monday evening in the UK, once the banks in the United States had opened for business. But it was an empty promise. By the close of business on Tuesday, players and staff had still not been paid, raising an all-too-familiar red flag.
London Irish, who have £30 million of debt, are the third Premiership club this season to find themselves in this situation. Worcester and Wasps both went bust before Christmas and dropped out of the Premiership."[/i
It's a lengthy article and behind a paywall so I won't link to it or copy & paste the whole thing. There's no mention of the possible AFC Wimbledon deal.
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