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| At the risk of us looking a bit Mickey Mouse, I loved Esher. Twenty degrees warmer, and you could almost persuade yourself you were on the hill at Kogarah or Brookdale! It's clearly not going to meet SL criteria, but I can see some sort of future there if the worst happens and we drop out.
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| I didn't mind it even if it makes New River look like Wembley in comparison.
Seriously duff floodlights though.
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| Quote ="wantawin"I think the club has missed a trick on moving the game to Esher. I have been past Esher Rugby Club 4 times over the last 2 days and there is no advertising for the game tonight. It does not cost much to get banners made up advertising the game and prehaps if local residents or past supporters had seen that the game was on at Esher tonight they would have come along. Molesey Road is a very busy road during the day so who knows how many additional people would have come along.'"
So another Broncos "HOME" game poorly marketed?
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| Quote ="Huddersfield1895"So another Broncos "HOME" game poorly marketed?'"
This is london what were you expecting?
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| A poster on the TotalRL forum claimed that an Esher club official said to her/him (nice PC touch there!) that we were playing the Bradford game on their ground as well. I don't know whether to take any notice of this, but if it is true could we have played our last game at the Stoop? Just a thought.
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| Prepare for the Bulls game to be either at Esher or Reading!!
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| ld not have a problem with another game at Esher great little ground, good atmosphere friendly officials, plenty parking if you choose to drive and need less spending money in the pocket. Easy journey from waterloo, clapham and vauxhall and not far from hersham station, only a few minutes walk
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| I appreciate its a nice ground and they were very hospitable but unless we are dropping a tier its as we know a non starter for Super League.
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| Quote ="The Chronicler of Chiswic"A poster on the TotalRL forum claimed that an Esher club official said to her/him (nice PC touch there!) that we were playing the Bradford game on their ground as well.'"
A steward I recognised from Twickenham Stoop told me we were "likely" to be playing Bradford at Esher. Must admit if it's a dry night I wouldn't mind that. (Travel time is pretty neutral for me fortunately.) A couple of thousand at Esher would be far more enjoyable than a couple of thousand rattling round in a 16k seater stadium, though Twickenham Stoop would be more appealing on a wet night. Obviously the Bradford game switching would be subject to RFL/ Superleague permission as they only gave permission to switch one game from what the club said.
I suspect the club might be quite happy to switch too. We don't seem to make much match day revenue under the new deal (bar, burger van takings etc) and would probably get a far bigger refund out of Quins for not being able to play there than we'd pay Esher to go there. Despite that I don't think there is any chance we have played our last game at Twickenham Stoop, why would Quins want to release us from the deal given that income will already be in their budgets and we'd still have to get RFL / Superleague permission and I don't see that happening.
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| I firmly believe there is a drainage problem at the Stoop the weather did not cause that kind of damage and it will not be a quick fix problem. Its more likely to be a couple of weeks before the drainage is resolved and then the pitch has to repair itself. That is probably why they didnt want to back up matches. If necessary I will travel to Esher I enjoyed last night. It is no where near the quality of the Stoop or SL standard but at least they wanted us and welcomed us. Couldnt we buy into it and develop it along with Esher RU. It could be a price we can afford for our own ground and Esher comes under Greater London and London weighting allowance trains are easy with the connections and probably not much worse (mayne even easier ) for a lot of fans
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| Quote ="stayinlondon"Couldnt we buy into it and develop it along with Esher RU. '"
Esher are currently in the very early stages of their own redevelopment plan which would see "a new stand / stadium on the car park side of the ground."
Doubt we have enough money to get involved with it sadly but there are precious few new stadiums likely to be built in London in the next few years so not too many options for us really. Not totally sure Esher would want a Superleague standard ground either, wouldn't be cheap to maintain and could be a bit soul-less for their games given their crowd size and it's hard to see them growing their support base much with Quins on the doorstep.
(New grounds I can think of are AFC Wimbledon probably, Brentford FC but Wasps look like moving in with them, Barnet FC being finished now but a low capacity for SL. If Ealing Trailfinders RFC keep progressing they may need to redevelop but again surely not to SL standard.)
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| probably wouldnt cost much more than 3 years rent at the Stoop and we would have a say in it bet the rnets niot cheap at Twickers t's in Hersham not Esher so in a cheaper bracket
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| I'm sure I've heard the figure of £250k p.a. rent muttered. I suspect Esher would want a lot more than £750k for a share of the freehold of a site that big in that part of the world. I'm not an estate agent though and may be wrong.
The fact that we are leaving Twickers basically because we can't afford the rent (Forty-20 magazine) suggests that competing in two years time will be an achievement, never mind owning a share of our own ground.
Please please let me be wrong...........
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| Quote ="Halfdan of t'wide embrace"I'm sure I've heard the figure of £250k p.a. rent muttered. I suspect Esher would want a lot more than £750k for a share of the freehold of a site that big in that part of the world. I'm not an estate agent though and may be wrong.
The fact that we are leaving Twickers basically because we can't afford the rent (Forty-20 magazine) suggests that competing in two years time will be an achievement, never mind owning a share of our own ground.
Please please let me be wrong...........'"
I can't believe we would leave The Stoop becuase of the rent. If those figures are correct , we get a good deal.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"I can't believe we would leave The Stoop becuase of the rent. If those figures are correct , we get a good deal.'"
"I'm sure I heard the figure Muttered" Say no more!
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| Esher sounds like a nice ground for a Championship club. Depending on what happens with DH and the next round of licencing, applications for which have, incidentally, to be in by the end of the year, would it be a convenient bolt hole for us or a potential phoenix club?
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| What happens to Orients ground if they move out, redevelopment?
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"In the meantime, all the "facts" are circumstantial and we are not moving to protect the pitch for a game in a couple of weeks time.'"
Circumstantial eh RB?
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| And now we know rather than guessing. YET:
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the pertinent point of my post wasn't a QF, SF or loving final.....as well you know. If Gus had stood up to Harlequins and been beaten down, I'd have recanted all my previous "coatings".........guess what, he didn't![/i
Still coating off the CEO? Professionally and not personally of course.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"And now we know rather than guessing. Still coating off the CEO? Professionally and not personally of course.
'" It was fairly obvious all along really.
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| Quote ="jbuzza"It was fairly obvious all along really.'"
Best to know the facts though ain't it JB?
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Quote ="Horatio Yed"What happens to Orients ground if they move out, redevelopment?'"
Clearly it's a bit hypothetical given the current inhabitants have no confirmed plans to move out however........... Leyton Orient no longer own the stadium. It was transferred to a company controlled by their Chairman, who cited the amount of money he has lost on the club to date as the reason behind the transfer. Orient are now on a lease, 25 years from memory, initially free but with rent due to kick in around now. A pledge has been made that if the company profits from re-development funds will be shared with the club. Given both the holding company and football club would have a financial interest in redevelopment if the ground does become free...............
The flip side is it may not become free. Whilst the owner has talked about relocating due to West Ham moving in on their doorstep - I have seen Harlow cited as a possible new location - however the rules have changed since Wimbledon did their midnight flit to Milton Keynes and I'm not sure Leyton Orient would be allowed to relocate to Harlow permanently. (When Rotherham had to move to Sheffield a firm date was put in the agreement by which they had to be back in Rotherham or face potential expulsion from the football league, 5 years I think.)
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www.harlowstar.co.uk/Sport/Footb ... 100829.htm
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Quote ="Horatio Yed"What happens to Orients ground if they move out, redevelopment?'"
Clearly it's a bit hypothetical given the current inhabitants have no confirmed plans to move out however........... Leyton Orient no longer own the stadium. It was transferred to a company controlled by their Chairman, who cited the amount of money he has lost on the club to date as the reason behind the transfer. Orient are now on a lease, 25 years from memory, initially free but with rent due to kick in around now. A pledge has been made that if the company profits from re-development funds will be shared with the club. Given both the holding company and football club would have a financial interest in redevelopment if the ground does become free...............
The flip side is it may not become free. Whilst the owner has talked about relocating due to West Ham moving in on their doorstep - I have seen Harlow cited as a possible new location - however the rules have changed since Wimbledon did their midnight flit to Milton Keynes and I'm not sure Leyton Orient would be allowed to relocate to Harlow permanently. (When Rotherham had to move to Sheffield a firm date was put in the agreement by which they had to be back in Rotherham or face potential expulsion from the football league, 5 years I think.)
Edited to add this link. The Leyton Orient Chairman is openly talking about re-locating.
www.harlowstar.co.uk/Sport/Footb ... 100829.htm
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"Best to know the facts though ain't it JB?'"
can't bring yourself to admit that I was right though, can you
It was bolted on that they were protecting THEIR pitch....at some stage late last year, our CEO negotiated 12 more months at the stoop......if Harlequins got to include a clause that allowed them to move us at 2 days, or even 7 days notice, then he should be fired immediately IMHO......ing laughing stock of the professional sporting world is what he's single handedly turned the club into....1,136 fans is an undefendable attendance.
As for the professional side of things, as opposed to the personal, I don't know him on a personal level, but in his professional life, he is very much in the public domain and fair game......he's was keen to get a mention in dispatches after the Win at Castleford...
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Quote ="gutterfax"he's was keen to get a mention in dispatches after the Win at Castleford...'"
He'd be better off concentrating his biggup efforts here.
www.britishcurryaward.co.uk/
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He'd be better off concentrating his biggup efforts here.
www.britishcurryaward.co.uk/
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| Quote ="gutterfax"can't bring yourself to admit that I was right though, can you
It was bolted on that they were protecting THEIR pitch....at some stage late last year, our CEO negotiated 12 more months at the stoop......if Harlequins got to include a clause that allowed them to move us at 2 days, or even 7 days notice, then he should be fired immediately IMHO......loving laughing stock of the professional sporting world is what he's single handedly turned the club into....1,136 fans is an undefendable attendance.
As for the professional side of things, as opposed to the personal, I don't know him on a personal level, but in his professional life, he is very much in the public domain and fair game......he's was keen to get a mention in dispatches after the Win at Castleford...'"
Oh dear. having already said that if we moved the Bradford game you'd be shown to be right. You still come on here begging for plaudits, attention and appreciation. Really shows people how you think. "Look at me everyone, I'm right" "I picked up on someone else saying the game would be moved cos of Quins RU, then I said, that wasn't my point, then I said it was, when it looked like I might be right. LOOK AT ME EVERYONE. Gus rings me, he's got my number, I'm important.
As for personal, you don't know him so why suggest he takes it up the gary or tell us to use our imagination as he sucks the boss off. And you constantly swear about him which the filters on here change. Even when you talk about him professionally you do so in a very unprofessional manner.
This isn't about you Gutterfax. It isn't, it's about something far more important I'm afraid. Stop looking for brownie points. Stop seeking attention.
I'll leave you with the notion that attention seekers have to have to the last word. So off you go then. Spit it out.
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