Honestly this result is no surprise to me at all. We have been absolutely trash for over a month now. No defence, sloppy attack & couldn't care less attitude. I really am not shocked that we lost to Widnes. They have been due a win whereas we've been going downhill fast.

All this talk of witch hunts against certain players/coaching staff on here etc is just people papering over the cracks of a side that simply isn't earning their wages. The usual suspects were crap again today. Not a witch hunt, just a statement of fact. Take it or leave it.

Congratulations Widnes.

How is this Brown's doing though? His replacement is also his assistant, so surely Anderson should also shoulder some of the 'blame'. Brown and Anderson out?

So only Brough, Eorl & Ferguson earned their money today then?

It isn't just nathen brown though is it! The players on the park are the same ones that have been turning teams over this season! Where's that bloody psychologist who was going to make believers out of our players.......then again maybe that's it they believe they have to just turn up to get the win!

But NB is the one picking centres at loose forward, second rows at prop and second rows at centre.

Buck stops with Brown

Not really a shock to be honest. Always said Brown isn't this world class coach some said he was and was shouted down. Wonder if the same folks may be starting to wonder now.
This happened last season and NB couldn't stop the rot then so why would this season be any different? No disrespect to Widnes but Wire stuck a truckload past em last week as have alot of clubs this season.
Shocking shocking result and ranks up there with the Hull KR away and Salford last week. Maybe NB already at Saints, as others always point out, never mind only 1 game and we still up there, belly laugh, keep this form up and we won't make the 8. Pissed ed off big time. Well done Widnes

We all know we will get the same response from him though. Been all said before "we know there were some areas the oppisition was better than us and we will work on this" ect ect!

Lunt <> Moore seems to have been around the loss of form.

That's one decision that's left me utterly baffled for one and watching Lunt for Leeds it seems to me it's just what we were missing!

And one of the reasons I'm saying Brown out now

i absolutely agree, someone i know who works within the england knights camp i know said how angry all the giants lads were down there speaking to them at the signing of moore and the loss of lunt. Brown to go NOW

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Yup hence why NB needs to take majority of the blame. One of his main jobs is to keep players feet on the ground, keep the hungry, aggressive and nasty, any sign of complacency and it's his boot that kicks em up the or him who drops em. What a crock of e last 3 weeks have been

at the present moment we are probably on a par with widnes and london for being the worst team in the league

I know its not going to fix things up but Lee I supposed to be back next week. Hopefully he can get our squad flowing a bit better? Still iour defense is falling to pieces!?

Living in London couldn't make game. Am appalled at last 2 results, though I think we were over achieving earlier in season. How bad was today? Shame that he doesn't/can't drop players. Was worried about today. Rightly so after that result. Like last week I didn't expect to hold them out for last few minutes. Depressing!

Missed chance to wire losing and Catalan losing! Had to be kr beating wire before we play them! Kr will be buzzing and our lot well probably be in a state of shock and depression!

Brown out
Get Lunt back
Stick to basic RL
Players in position

next game on sky v HULLKR

1 eden
2 mcgillvary
3 murphy
4 wardle
5 george
6 brown
7 brough
8 crabtree
9 robinson
10 mason
11 faaologo
12 gilmour
13 faiumu

14 patrick
15 ferguson
16 chan
17 lee

drop - cudjoe and grix been dire for weeks now,grix isnt 6.
send moore to saints now along with brown
not sure about luke sicknote odonnell?????? will he be back

this is a team where players are playing in there own positions,what next crabtree back to the centres because he was good there in the championship and robinson to prop?????

just got back.... 4 losses on the trot now... how many more losses will it take till brown starts early at saints??

best defence a month ago and now to this conceding bucket loads of points to wigan, catalans, salford and widnes

nearly won today but that would of just papered over the cracks and widnes deserved the win

faalogo and patrick were out best players today

eden and gilmour utter garbage, eden taken off at half time

murphy played full back, cudjoe loose forward then all change again in 2nd half lawrence to centre, moore loose etc

time to go back to basics as the new style of play not working anymore and confidence gone

I was watching Leeds get tonked by Wigan on Friday night and didnt feel that bad after our home defeat to them what 4 weeks ago. After today however another sign and a reason why this team won't win anything this season. I hate to say it but we won't and I said before the start of the season if don't win anything this time I dont think we will in my life time. I am 42. Another mid season slump, chopping and changing the team, players out on loan, 1 player coming in, losing to Widnes in the last minute. Settled, COMPOSED teams don't do that. Is the sports shrink still around?. Back to basics -! they can't even do that at the moment. Pathetic state of affairs but thats what supporting Fartown is like. Same old garbage in the Examiner this week and then they serve up that!. Maybe its best if Nathan went early.

Its was dire today - and it is down to attitude , and not ability - and afraid that sits at the managers door.

Having seen this scenario last season we KNOW Nathan cannot turn it around. I have been a real supporter of him in the past , but think gardening leave is now due and baloo in charge now - drastic times call for strong Board level decisions, and afraid I've switched my view, and Code 13 is spot in with his posts - unfortunately....

I really don't want to read the same NB platitudes in tomorrows Examiner - I'll feel more positive to read about his resignation.

Trust me, I'm not happy saying it in the least
But one thing we know is Brown lacks the ability to change tactics mid season - all he can do is shuffle players into unfamiliar positions that leads to more loss of form.

If Wire tonk us in the CC semi then I think NB should go for an early bath because if we don't win the Cup we haven't a cat in hell's chance of winning the league. Still no trophy.

So as we can't get relegated & would be highly unlikely to win anything, maybe Baloo should get the last few matches & whatever(if any) playoff games to get an early start on next year's prep with no pressure on him.

Driving back from today's shambles and reflecting on wasting about £ 70 and a few hours of my life I had the Car radio on BBC Manchester, their take was interesting, it could be paraphrased as "agreeing for NB to join Saints next season and letting the world know while keeping him as our coach this season was a recipe for disaster".

I don't like that, but its hard to argue.

Today was especially poor as not only did we not play well, neither did i think did widnes, they scored 3 tries from kicks that were missed by our defence, but what got me angry was the lack of desire,i said desire lost us that game today, the last 2 mins summed it up perfectly,widnes just wanted the win more than we did, they put their bodies on the line and we didnt,you cant blame the coach for that! However i do think its a difficult sitaution for nathan,he should be revered and rightly so by the fans for what he has done,but i cant help thinking he has gone as far as he can with us and is now thinking more about saints next year, which is a shame, the players hearts didnt seem in it, and it was the same last year