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| It's quite funny on here the way people castigate players who want to leave the Giants, they are disloyal and all that kind of tripe, Funnily enough we don't get the same kind of stuff aimed at the players we sign from other clubs, we are just exited and pleased to get them without a second thought for the clubs they are leaving. Leeming wants to leave, that's his choice, If the club allow him to go then good luck to him i wish him well, He will probably do well with another club players usually do when they leave the Giants and who knows we could be buying him back in a year of two.
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| Quote ="Jo Jumbuck"It's quite funny on here the way people castigate players who want to leave the Giants, they are disloyal and all that kind of tripe, Funnily enough we don't get the same kind of stuff aimed at the players we sign from other clubs, we are just exited and pleased to get them without a second thought for the clubs they are leaving. Leeming wants to leave, that's his choice, If the club allow him to go then good luck to him i wish him well, He will probably do well with another club players usually do when they leave the Giants and who knows we could be buying him back in a year of two.'" Good post Jo but the thing that for me is most annoying is the fact that players are happy to sign a contract for a set number of years at a set amount of money.
Anyone player or club should be bound to this agreement and honour the contract they sign.It is my opinion that some players may be influenced by some people other than their own self.
It wont be the first time and it will not be the last.
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| Quote ="N3ERN"Can clubs go over their quota?
Only if they are granted special dispensation by the RFL.
This is uncommon but does happen. As an example, the RFL gave clubs dispensation to sign Krisnan Inu, Wellington Albert and Adam Tangata when they were released by Widnes due to their financial issues. Those players don’t count on the quota for their new clubs for the duration of their contracts.
Additionally, another dispensation recently added was the New Talent Pool. This means clubs are given dispensation on the salary cap if they bring in an athlete from another sport. As an example, Warrington were given dispensation on their quota to sign Burrell, so he does not count on their quota.'"
There’s a difference between quota and non-federation trained players. I think you are also getting mixed up with salary cap. Since Luther Burrell was born and raised in Huddersfield he doesn’t get dispensation On quota but his wages don’t count in the cap year one and not fully year two
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| Trout announced this morning. Big 4 year deal
Worth nowt.
Leeming announced for Leeds.
We are favourites for the drop with the bookies.
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| Thewlis scathing in the press release.
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| Quote ="N3ERN"Martin is taking peteru’s spot jools regarding the rules Albert doesn’t count on the Quota. that’s the rules due to dispensation..'"
ALbert only signed on 1 year deal anyway and played mostly at Fev. not a Leeds player in 2020
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| Now its been finally announced, in hindsight should the subject title have been "Leeming sniffing around Leeds"? ha ha
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| Quote ="bilko1941"Good post Jo but the thing that for me is most annoying is the fact that players are happy to sign a contract for a set number of years at a set amount of money.
Anyone player or club should be bound to this agreement and honour the contract they sign.It is my opinion that some players may be influenced by some people other than their own self.
It wont be the first time and it will not be the last.'"
Yes you have a point, but if the club let him go what can you do,
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| Quote ="jools"Trout announced this morning. Big 4 year deal
Worth nowt.
Leeming announced for Leeds.
We are favourites for the drop with the bookies.'"
Wouldn't worry about the bookies jools they have had Wakey going down for the last decade but they are still here. I feel reasonably confident for the coming season myself, We have the backs to get by with most clubs and Gaskell will be quite good if our forwards get some go forward, Thats been our main problem for the last few years, It was always easier to blame the likes of Brough for not winning us games but the real issue has been our pack getting dominated all the time, no halves will ever shine in them circumstances, Who's to say Holmes won't make a very good Hooker as well, I thought he looked decent in the games i saw him play.
We have at least tried to do something about the pack this time so now the ball is well and truly in Woolfords court, lets hope he is up to the job. Anyone know how long his contract was for ?
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| The question people should be asking is why he was so desperate to get away and what that tells you about the way things are run. We have lost a great young talent shame but not surprised
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| Quote ="hxgiant"The question people should be asking is why he was so desperate to get away and what that tells you about the way things are run. We have lost a great young talent shame but not surprised'"
Well exactly- the fact he’d rather be Coached by Agar than woolford at this point in his career to me speaks volumes about how he feels about his handling. tbh he’s far too good a player to be coming on for 15 minutes a half.
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| So does the fact that Sezer wants away from Canberra say something about how that club is run??
People leave clubs all the time. It doesn't always have a reflection on how the club is run - if it did, we'd see far more people leaving than coming in.
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| Quote ="GiantMisterE"So does the fact that Sezer wants away from Canberra say something about how that club is run??
People leave clubs all the time. It doesn't always have a reflection on how the club is run - if it did, we'd see far more people leaving than coming in.'"
Does sezer really want away?or is he being pushed due to cap. If he really did he’d be signed up by now.
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| You nearly right Jools but while Leeming got interest from Leeds as his mate and other quality young player had left , the final straw was a fall out with our MD at a pre season meeting. He now sadly joins a long list of quality players who have left due to poor management.
At most serious Super League clubs today’s announcement would have been met with derision anger and protest. To attempt to hide the loss of an England 9 in a swap deal with a young hopeful in a press release full of irony would have been mocked. At the Giants with the shambolic organisation and history of amateur gaffes no doubt he will once again get away with it.
It would be hard to think of anything that would suppress season ticket sales before the upcoming deadline even more , except possibly announcing that your major Australian signing had backed out or perhaps your chairman and owner had aligned himself to a minority political party in the Town , instead of focusing on the new season which is only a few weeks away
Then again .....
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"ALbert only signed on 1 year deal anyway and played mostly at Fev. not a Leeds player in 2020'"
He actually signed a two year deal at Leeds and is exempt for that two years
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| Quote ="hxgiant"The question people should be asking is why he was so desperate to get away and what that tells you about the way things are run. We have lost a great young talent shame but not surprised'"
Hes already mentioned playing in front of the crowd at headingley, it cant be inspiring playing in front of one man and his cow bell. Plus leeds rd is hardly a professional training base alongside the general public.
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| Quote ="hxgiant"You nearly right Jools but while Leeming got interest from Leeds as his mate and other quality young player had left , the final straw was a fall out with our MD at a pre season meeting. He now sadly joins a long list of quality players who have left due to poor management.
At most serious Super League clubs today’s announcement would have been met with derision anger and protest. To attempt to hide the loss of an England 9 in a swap deal with a young hopeful in a press release full of irony would have been mocked. At the Giants with the shambolic organisation and history of amateur gaffes no doubt he will once again get away with it.
It would be hard to think of anything that would suppress season ticket sales before the upcoming deadline even more , except possibly announcing that your major Australian signing had backed out or perhaps your chairman and owner had aligned himself to a minority political party in the Town , instead of focusing on the new season which is only a few weeks away
Then again .....'"
As i said earlier, they didn't make the changes that would have persuaded me to renew my ticket .
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| If Darnell gets firing again this year could we see Golding at hooker?
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| Quote ="Jo Jumbuck"As i said earlier, they didn't make the changes that would have persuaded me to renew my ticket .'" Changes made Jo get your season card bought'
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| Quote ="bilko1941"Changes made Jo get your season card bought''"
I may well do that bilko ,Ive threatened for years to stop buying one but then i still end up with one, Even if i don't ill not miss many games i don't think.
To be honest I'm beginning to feel a bit like i did when Brough came to us, he was obviously a class act but for a few seasons he had a strong pack to play behind, Sezer looks to be the same quality and with the bit of mongrel we have brought into the pack I'm feeling quite optimistic.
We do need to be a bit luckier with Injuries than we have been for a few seasons ( if it's been bad luck altogether ) and i'm hoping that a couple of our forwards who would have been great in the 60's get pushed out by some of the youngsters, We really do need to start and play a better style of football than the dross we have descended too if Sezer and our young backs are to be given a chance to shine, Up to you Mr Woolford but sometimes a big signing can just be the Catalyst to make things work.
The other cause for optimism for me is the depth of young talent that we have coming through, credit where it's due the club have made big strides in that area. With all the fuss over Sezer this new young lad from Leeds has barely had a mention, He sounds like a lad with a lot of potential to me , but as i say on here regularly it really is all about the coaching, So welcome to the Giants both new men.
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| Quote ="Jo Jumbuck"I may well do that bilko ,Ive threatened for years to stop buying one but then i still end up with one, Even if i don't ill not miss many games i don't think.
To be honest I'm beginning to feel a bit like i did when Brough came to us, he was obviously a class act but for a few seasons he had a strong pack to play behind, Sezer looks to be the same quality and with the bit of mongrel we have brought into the pack I'm feeling quite optimistic.
We do need to be a bit luckier with Injuries than we have been for a few seasons ( if it's been bad luck altogether ) and i'm hoping that a couple of our forwards who would have been great in the 60's get pushed out by some of the youngsters, We really do need to start and play a better style of football than the dross we have descended too if Sezer and our young backs are to be given a chance to shine, Up to you Mr Woolford but sometimes a big signing can just be the Catalyst to make things work.
The other cause for optimism for me is the depth of young talent that we have coming through, credit where it's due the club have made big strides in that area. With all the fuss over Sezer this new young lad from Leeds has barely had a mention, He sounds like a lad with a lot of potential to me , but as i say on here regularly it really is all about the coaching, So welcome to the Giants both new men.'" I have not watched much junior/academy rugby this past three seasons Jo so I cannot comment on Trout but what bothers me is if he is that good why would Leeds want shut? If as you say we have more luck on the injury front we may have a better season.
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| Quote ="hxgiant"You nearly right Jools but while Leeming got interest from Leeds as his mate and other quality young player had left , the final straw was a fall out with our MD at a pre season meeting. He now sadly joins a long list of quality players who have left due to poor management.
At most serious Super League clubs today’s announcement would have been met with derision anger and protest. To attempt to hide the loss of an England 9 in a swap deal with a young hopeful in a press release full of irony would have been mocked. At the Giants with the shambolic organisation and history of amateur gaffes no doubt he will once again get away with it.
It would be hard to think of anything that would suppress season ticket sales before the upcoming deadline even more , except possibly announcing that your major Australian signing had backed out or perhaps your chairman and owner had aligned himself to a minority political party in the Town , instead of focusing on the new season which is only a few weeks away
Then again .....'" Have you read the Examiner with regard to Leeming HX I BET IT BROKE YOUR HEART !!!!
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| Quote ="HuddsRL5"If Darnell gets firing again this year could we see Golding at hooker?'"
Just no.
I hate this- stick a decent player in another position. All this talk of holmes etc. No- get a (or preferably don’t push out a damn good) hooker!
and I’ve seen nothing at all to suggest golding should make a decent hooker!
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| Quote ="jools"Just no.
I hate this- stick a decent player in another position. All this talk of holmes etc. No- get a (or preferably don’t push out a damn good) hooker!
and I’ve seen nothing at all to suggest golding should make a decent hooker!'"
Have you seen anything to suggest Holmes wouldn't.
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