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| OK mate I'll take your word for it
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| Quote ="yorkieboy52"No bad luck in not being well ahead after 10 minutes or so, no bad luck in poor decision making, no bad luck in getting back on top in the last 6 or 7 minutes and still not being able to secure the win, where was the bad luck Jools?'"
Some unlucky ball bounces which could have given us repeat sets, juggle from wardle- saints juggled twice and managed to hang on. Some kicks that were just a fraction too long. Wardles head knock...
I also thought it was kopczak that allowed roby to run.
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| Quote ="the stella kid"Baron Greenback I couldn't make game and was watching on TV but was fairly sure it was Mason and not Koppy who fell asleep at marker may be wrong though as was watching in pub with no sound.'"
Good way to watch the game with no sound, I was watching at home, turned the sound off after 20 minutes, no drivel or clinches from the " experts". far more enjoyable, going to contact sky and ask for a reduced fee for a pictures only service.
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| Quote ="jools"Some unlucky ball bounces which could have given us repeat sets, juggle from wardle- saints juggled twice and managed to hang on. Some kicks that were just a fraction too long. Wardles head knock...
I also thought it was kopczak that allowed roby to run.'"
Juggle from Wardle was a risky pass from Danny, it comes off then great, it doesn't then that is the risk 50/50 chance, the head knock for Joe was unfortunate I agree,kicks that are too long again they can go either way, but no bad luck early doors, just poor execution from us
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| Agree now Kopczak and not Madon at fault for Robys break. Also for last two Saints tries can anyone explain why we had Grix and Wood next to each other in defencive line. An accident waiting to happen.
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| It's easy to say now that the 2 points was the wrong decision because you missed and turned the ball over. But at the time I thought the two was the correct call. It was just poorly executed. Was definitely worth the risk in my opinion.
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| For a team that supposedly had the best defensive record in the league, I don't think we've necessarily shown it over the past couple of weeks.
Cudjoe is totally off his game. He missed two straight forward tackles in the build up to Quinlan's second try (amongst a number of others) and his wild shoot out from the line could have cost us another try.
And I don't buy the 'if he'd got the interception, you'd be praising him' argument. Sport at this level is a about fine margins and if you don't nail it, it will cost you.
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| Good game. Good performance. Great attitude. Hard to be too down hearted.
Turning point for me was Brough going for goal. We had scored twice and could of pinned them. Run down the time. Go for a drop goal if we didn't get a try. We scored most of the time we was up there. Poor decision at a crucial time. Something our team need to work hard on.
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| Quote ="GiantMisterE"For a team that supposedly had the best defensive record in the league, I don't think we've necessarily shown it over the past couple of weeks.
Cudjoe is totally off his game. He missed two straight forward tackles in the build up to Quinlan's second try (amongst a number of others) and his wild shoot out from the line could have cost us another try.
And I don't buy the 'if he'd got the interception, you'd be praising him' argument. Sport at this level is a about fine margins and if you don't nail it, it will cost you.'"
He missed two tackles all game. (Same coincidentally as Jerry who only actually made 1) he also bust 4 tackles and was our highest metre maker.........
but hey.... Don't let that get in the way of a good scapegoat.
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| Quote ="AntonyGiant"Good game. Good performance. Great attitude. Hard to be too down hearted.
Turning point for me was Brough going for goal. We had scored twice and could of pinned them. Run down the time. Go for a drop goal if we didn't get a try. We scored most of the time we was up there. Poor decision at a crucial time. Something our team need to work hard on.'"
At the time it was the right thing to do. And we don't know whether brough made that decision or the message came from the coaching staff. If he'd have nailed that kick then game over for saints. No certainty we'd have got in a position for a drop goal or it would have gone over.
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| Personally thought brough made the wrong decision. You guys had some momentum equalising after being 24-34 down with less than a quarter of the game left, and would've backed you to score either a try or a drop goal. All in all it was a cracking game for the nuetral.
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| Quote ="GiantMisterE"
Cudjoe is totally off his game. He missed two straight forward tackles in the build up to Quinlan's second try (amongst a number of others) and his wild shoot out from the line could have cost us another try.
And I don't buy the 'if he'd got the interception, you'd be praising him' argument. Sport at this level is a about fine margins and if you don't nail it, it will cost you.'"
What! You do realise he was faced with a 5 on 2 overlap? What would you want him to do that would stop them scoring?
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| Quote ="GiantDee"What! You do realise he was faced with a 5 on 2 overlap? What would you want him to do that would stop them scoring?'"
You are wasting your time. Leroy has taken over the scapegoat mantle since grix hasn't been playing.
I Note that the poster has claimed he missed two "straightforward" tackles in the build up to the try and "numerous" other tackles when the stats show the grand total of tackles missed by him in the game is... 2
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| Quote ="jools"At the time it was the right thing to do. And we don't know whether brough made that decision or the message came from the coaching staff. If he'd have nailed that kick then game over for saints. No certainty we'd have got in a position for a drop goal or it would have gone over.'"
There was only one part of the field we needed to be in and converted or not... We would of been back down at our end or worse lost out in a short kick off. There was time plenty of time left for saints to level with us or score a try if we had got the kick over the sticks.
If we had got the kick and defended to win the game I'd of said it was the wrong call at the time.
Just my opinion.
We played very well... No loss to be moaning about that's for sure.
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| Quote ="GiantMisterE"For a team that supposedly had the best defensive record in the league, I don't think we've necessarily shown it over the past couple of weeks.
Cudjoe is totally off his game. He missed two straight forward tackles in the build up to Quinlan's second try (amongst a number of others) and his wild shoot out from the line could have cost us another try.
And I don't buy the 'if he'd got the interception, you'd be praising him' argument. Sport at this level is a about fine margins and if you don't nail it, it will cost you.'"
i thought we were fine in midfield and down their end, it was the half ar$ed attempts for 3 of their tries that bothered me.
as for Cudjoe, in attack he is fine and caused saints problems in attack, but his defence is worrying me, however he has shown he is a good defender and i'm sure he'll get that back
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| Quote ="jools"You are wasting your time. Leroy has taken over the scapegoat mantle since grix hasn't been playing.
I Note that the poster has claimed he missed two "straightforward" tackles in the build up to the try and "numerous" other tackles when the stats show the grand total of tackles missed by him in the game is... 2'"
But at the same time every player in claret & gold does not defecate Mars bars! I though Cudjoe was pretty poor yesterday. He was hesitant and his positional play was puzzling on occasions.
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| We could have had this game won by half time, 4 or 5 big chances that we failed to convert, just cant do that at this level, will continue to win nowt till we start taking the chances.
some very slack tackling from us too, unlike us with the best defence.
in the end we could and should have won, ellis needed to convert the try and then brough also had a chance from the half way line.
was that really a knock on from robinson at the death which led to the drop goal?? sure it went back!
very disappointed with this game.
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| I was disappointed in ellis' miss of the conversion, it was fairly easy really. But more than that the opportunities we bombed. The brough penalty was strange too, I remember thinking at the time, nearly 10mins left, chance of a moving up field, drop goal or even go for the score (may even get another penalty) we scored pretty much every time we got up there in the second half. Was this a lack of confidence with our drop goals? It was a depleted saints there for the taking. It will be interesting to see what someone like hinchcliffe will bring to these situations next year.
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| Kick at goal was the wrong choice for me too, but hey ho
Another turning point imo was brought hacking on after his chip over, drop on the ball, quick ptb while saints are offside and were in - kicking on meant he was never going to get the ball back and we turn over with a tap 20
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| Quote ="brearley84"We could have had this game won by half time, 4 or 5 big chances that we failed to convert, just cant do that at this level, will continue to win nowt till we start taking the chances.
some very slack tackling from us too, unlike us with the best defence.
in the end we could and should have won, ellis needed to convert the try and then brough also had a chance from the half way line.
was that really a knock on from robinson at the death which led to the drop goal?? sure it went back!
very disappointed with this game.'"
The knock on was from Huby. It was a knock on. But I've seen them not given.
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| Quote ="Baron Greenback"But at the same time every player in claret & gold does not defecate Mars bars! I though Cudjoe was pretty poor yesterday. He was hesitant and his positional play was puzzling on occasions.'"
Your wasting your time!!
Some people need to need to take their blinkers off and actually watch the game instead of hiding behind their stats.
Watch the game back and tell me that Leroy couldn't have stopped the second try twice over.
And then watch the rest and tell me that there weren't other tackles that he should have made. And by the way, I class trying to grab a shirt and faffing about whilst someone has to come in and make the tackle effective as poor defence.
It's also a shame that having an opinion about a player makes him a scapegoat.
Some might say that Jools has been making Connor a scapegoat by her recent opinions. And actually, I agree with her, however, Leroy hasn't offered anything more than Connor over the past few weeks.
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| Should we drop Leroy then? Perhaps we should drop brough for his poor decision making. Mmmmm well let's see what Anderson thinks shall we....
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| Quote ="GiantMisterE"Your wasting your time!!
Some people need to need to take their blinkers off and actually watch the game instead of hiding behind their stats.
Watch the game back and tell me that Leroy couldn't have stopped the second try twice over.
And then watch the rest and tell me that there weren't other tackles that he should have made. And by the way, I class trying to grab a shirt and faffing about whilst someone has to come in and make the tackle effective as poor defence.
It's also a shame that having an opinion about a player makes him a scapegoat.
Some might say that Jools has been making Connor a scapegoat by her recent opinions. And actually, I agree with her, however, Leroy hasn't offered anything more than Connor over the past few weeks.'"
Sadly Leroy is a shadow of the player he was 2 years ago, certainly his tackling anyway,
Two bad decisions from Brough last night and some very poor options from a few other players. By and large I was pleased with the way the forwards muscled up, A couple of bad lapses in tackling but we should have been away and clear.
I did like the way we kept fighting back to level the scores rather than giving in, End of the day we beat ourselves in the first 15minutes.
Shame Ellis missed the conversion but it happens, He did have a decent game though.
Just have to beat Catalan away now to buck the trend, If we create chance like last night we have every chance, provided we take them
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| Quote ="jools"Should we drop Leroy then? Perhaps we should drop brough for his poor decision making. Mmmmm well let's see what Anderson thinks shall we....'"
Based on recent performances, i think there is an argument to drop Leroy.
And personally, I thought the decision to go for goal was correct at the time. With hindsight maybe not.
Using your argument - if he'd have got it, you'd be singing his praises!
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| It isn't about individuals, it's a team game and as a team we were pretty good yesterday, attack looked threatening - Let's remember we've scored 34 points away at the current champions and the 2nd best defence in the league - defence was down to missing tackles/wrong choices, yes they are individual errors but i don't like this singling one player out because he was poorer than another, so what ? next week Leroy could be brilliant and Murphy poor !! rather than trying to find a player to pin blame on look at the team game and see where we can improve as a team !!
I was disappointed last night as 4 or 5 times we came back at them and when we had them on the rack we lacked composure or game management to turn the game into 2 point, the top teams do this !.
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