Winning any game was a bonus when a lot of us started watching so forgive us for getting a little happy over the fact that we could and are very close to actually finishing a season as the highest team in the country and winning something for that achievement. I dont particularly care 'how important' or 'how highly regarded' the said piece of silverware is, if we win it we have earnt it.

What's to forgive? I asked for opinions. I also gave mine, but I'm not really into insisting that other people share my opinions.

I hope you do finish top. And you'd be my 2nd choice to win the Grand Final as well. Yorkshire club, lots of English/British players. Ticks all the boxes for me.

Obviously I'd rather Leeds won, but I may be a little biased.

I think the LLS shield is slightly devalued by the emphasis that is put on the play-offs. They are, for me, two different achievements that deserve just rewards in their own rights. That doesn't necessarily have to be monetary or titles, but more of a reward in the play-offs would be a start.

I also think with the 8 team structure, the whole play-offs and thus Super League has been slightly devalued. The teams that scrape 7th and 8th might not win half of their league games this season - is that a team that deserves to be in the play-offs? Not for me. When we go back to twelve teams, the play-offs needs to be less than half of the league. You could have the top five, give the LLS a buy through the first round and have three rounds of (potentially) high intensity rugby league.

In short, I agree with the winners of the play-offs being crowned champions; but I think the LLS deserve more than a hub cap and home tie plus the potential horror of picking their next opponent.

What if we win the GF and finish 3rd in the LLS tournament, will we be saying the GF doesn't count??

Both are good things to win, the GF is the holy grail for me, but if we was to win the LLS and no guarantee we'll win either, it's a good statement of intent, certainly for our club.

Anyway it doesn't matter as we're a disgrace, Im going down the fish mongers later to get a wet kipper to thrash myself with, such a disgrace I am!!

El Diablo - wasn't aimed at you personally, more a general thing.

I want to see us win anything - i dont care what value other fans /media etc put on it, balls to em - i was ecstatic seing the 3rd division trophy been lifted in 1992 so winning a shield for finishing top of the whole Rugby League will most definitely be worth it

Spot on Daz, I suspect the only people who don't value the LLS are clubs who haven't won it. Ask Wire what their fans think. I'm sure they rate it. I'm sure we would should we win it. To be fair it's probably the hardest piece of silverware to win. CC is a lottery whom you get to play and GF, just need to be free of injuries and on form for few weeks. LLS won over a whole season. However, teams that take it easy knowing they've qualified for the playoffs may have had an effect on the outcome if it was just a league title and no GF. If you get my drift.

To be fair I've seen Leeds win it twice. To be honest it mostly (especially in 2004) made me nervous that we were going to screw it all up in the play-offs.

It's definitely a good thing to win, and certainly a great achievement. Like someone said above, since 98 when we lost to Wigan in the first one of the SL era, the GF has been the grail.

I'd also echo hopes for a return to the top 5 system. That was the one that worked best for me.

All the top clubs have won it, and no one really cares about it. Warrington were relatively new to the grand final party but after tasting old trafford last year the attitude of their fans this year has been one of indifference, and the team haven't gone all out to win it either. Winning the grand final gives the title of champions. If you win the LLS and don't make and or win the grand final you just end up looking stupid.

Rubbish, a trophy is a trophy - how can you look silly if you dont win another in the same season ??

Agreed what a strange comment lets say we get to Old Trafford and lose to a Briers drop.goal....oh yes we would look really really stupid....madness

league champions means the team who finishes top of the league to me, not the team who wins the grand final, they are super league champions

and I don't give two hoots whether others think we look stupid by actually finishing on top of the league, got to be leeds fans surely?
I don't care if we win the Kirklees/Calderdale and spen valley memorial trophy, we haven't won ANYTHING according to most others so winning anything would be nice just to say

The LLS doesn't come near the Grand Final for me, but it's still a trophy, one of only 3 we have domestically at the top level, so you can't really look stupid by winning it.

Though that has been an amusing stick to beat Saints, Wire and Wigan fans with in recent years, by use of the word "choke" - but banter's banter isn't it.

I'd still rather win the LLS than not win it, if you see what I mean.

feel the winners of the LLS deserve to win the grand final really, would be fitting. just hasnt been happening though!

and top 8 for playoffs needs to be reduced to 5 too. rewarding loses at the moment. yes it gives the others something to play for but doesnt make it right, glad the relegation is coming back, they have something to play for then!

the downside of this is that some clubs will panic buy, look at hull kr already signed up two overseas for next year!

Reducing the playoffs to 5 means that the regular season has too many "pointless" games then

If we had top 5 then over half the league would have their season over and done last month

but its being reduced to 12 from 14 teams.

and as i said bringing back relegation will give the lower teams something to play for.

oh and the giants were voting for it to be 10 teams very strongly

I'm still a bit gobsmacked we are at the top. I still haven't seen us play a complete match all season (I did miss saints away and Leeds) in terms of effort. I'd have said we played more consistent rugby last season at times ( obviously failed dismal at the end), but we are due to dish out some good all round performances soon I feel, hopefully at the business end.

I did think CC was out best chance of silverware, but the more I look at it now LLS is deffo nut to crack, that would have the knock on effect of instilling belief in the players for a decent crack at the GF ( while giving the Wire a lambing along the way).

I don't think it will, I think it will make it more of a scramble for the fifth and potentially the fourth spot. There would also be promotion and relegation, so teams would be avoiding the bottom spaces.