Its not a case for of blaming people, but certain players are under performing.

And it's not just after 2 games, it's being going on for a while.

All good saying send cudjoe to Oldham, but who would come in for him without reshuffling the whole back line?

Let's replace a centre with a centre, winger with a winger etc.
If this means playing youngsters then so be it. Saints Wigan and wire have done it and they are all going ok.

We have had a problem for about a year and a half now getting good ball out to our right hand side. Madness as we have Leroy and Jerry there, but everything goes left through Brough and Ferres.

There was little point bringing in Jamie Ellis to take pressure off Danny Brough and then never giving him the ball. He has had very little given to him in two games so far, he has defended well but been given little opportunity in attack, which means Hughes, Leroy and Jerry get no quality ball.

Both hookers were poor against Hull, Robbo was much better against Wigan, but I can see Kyle wood getting a game soon if Lunt's form continues.

Main point though, sort out the balance of our play and allow the right side attack to thrive, that will stop the opposition focus on our left side and we will suddenly look the real deal.

wood got man of the match again for oldham at the weekend, must be pushing hard to replace somebody, prob at hooker. as i think anderson will want to run with brough/ellis for a while yet which is undrstandable. the current hookers need to perform soon with wood playing well

It makes me laugh how some players get blamed for everything yet others can do no wrong. I agree Connor is a great talent but to say he stood out against Wigan is wrong. For Bateman's try he overcommitted leaving a huge gap on his inside. For Mcllorum's try he had already been let down by defence in front of him but still missed a tackle on Bateman. I just think people need to watch the whole game and not just the attacking bit before criticising players. Ferres made more tackles and more metres than any other Giants player but he is the current target so the defeat was obviously his fault.

Broughton isn't as bad under the high ball as some people like to claim.

He took a Robinson kick to the corner two years ago to win the game at Salford. Unfortunately he was playing against us that day.

David Hodgson acquired the name dodgy due to his weakness fielding kicks, but he was an impressive finisher. Whilst I would say Hodgson was a better finisher near the line (though Broughton finished very adeptly in the pre-season game at Halifax), Broughton has already scored tries for us where none of his current team-mates would (Leeds at home and Bradford at Manchester immediately spring to mind). It's quite correct to say speed isn't everything you look for in a winger, but it is certainly an important attribute. Ignore the ridiculous Dwayne Chambers comparison, by that reckoning there would be no place for Martin Offiah.

Anderson appears to prefer wingers who run the ball up hard. Forget subtlety, he seems to like all our players to take the ball up hard. Whilst he doesn't shirk the work, that simply isn't Broughton's forte. His key attribute, his speed - something of a USP in our first team - is not utilized, partly due to our playing style and partly due to his centre. In order to free his winger, Wardle needs to get on the outside of his opposing number and draw the winger. Wardle's passing, despite several years of Super League coaching, does not afford Broughton such chances. Credit to him, he comes up with some big hits, runs some decent lines and can be an imposing figure, but passing isn't one of his better traits.

When we played Leeds away a couple of years ago Brough put in some wonderful kicks for Murphy, whose pace is incomparable to Broughton's. With two quality kickers I would have thought we would be looking to utilize Broughton's pace more. Broughton was top try scorer for a struggling Salford side in 2010, 2011 and second (by one try!) in 2012. Their side wasn't as strong as ours, but they moved the ball better and created opportunities. We still seem to struggle a little in that respect.

If we want a winger who can provide some tough hit ups from dummy half (in addition to Jerry, who does that well) then Broughton probably isn't the winger for us, and we would be better spending his salary on a different type of player. Not all the wingers will have the speed and agility of Broughton. And with our half back pairing, it will be a shame if we can't (or don't) make better use of his ability. If we were able to pass the ball around and showed some flair, Broughton would be scoring regularly, but with limited opportunities to showcase his talent, his frailties, though somewhat largely perceived, are magnified. A little suspect under the high ball perhaps. But a winger being built for speed and balance instead of being built for hit ups isn't a weakness, it's an opportunity. Whether he gets it with us, and our style of play, however, remains to be seen. And with Wardle as his centre, I don't see there being much chance of that happening.

I agree with some of what you say- but not all.
Broughton is not being utilised to his strengths- we should indeed be putting him in a position to beat his man in a kick chase as Brough did for murphy but we don't! I don't agree that Wardle isn't supplying broughton correctly- broughton has messed up a fair few times when he's missed a pass with a try begging. Neither does he run himself into space or run round to enable an inside pass. He is disappointingly a one trick pony.
But the team are daft not to utilise that one trick.

yeh thought connor could have done better with that tackle and also the first half try they got

but its a steep learning curve, getting position right at full back is important,lets hope he keeps improving at the rate he has so far

good post, doesnt seem to have happened for broughton here so far which is disappointing, expected big things but i dont think he has been used correctly as the type of winger he is.

Used correctly?

So now it's not Wardles fault, it's the coaches!

Maybe he just isn't that good!

i posed the question could it be wardle as to the reason why broughton hasnt shown what he can do?

you seen wingers with alot of tries and alot of it is down to the centre partner they have too.

just a question not a define answer, thats what forums are to discuss things?

like others have also stated, not just me, we may not be playing to broughtons strengths.

i get it though with you, you just dont like broughton anywhere near the side full stop.

So with Ferres, Leroy, Wardle, Broughton, Koppy, Lunt, Robbo and Eorl all being in need of being sent to play for Oldham, at least it means Grix should get his place back which I know would delight all...

connor would still be ahead of grix at full back! could play him at hooker though if all them got sent to Oldham!

I agree on Connor play him at full back. I think we have bigger problems at the moment though i.e Cudjoes defence and Lunt not performing. Did you watch Saints and South Sydney? Good job we weren't playing Souths as they would have put 70 past us.

Connor challenging brough for mouthing off at the ref all the time and hes not even the captain!

Aiton was a disgrace lastnight going down like a footballer



did connor do enough lastnight to keep grix out next week?

I think we have quality with Connor as shown last night with some good runs and he is hopefully our future number 1. Connor needs game time and has huge potential so for that reason yes.

However...I can't help but think we needed Grix's experience last night.
How many losses will it take till we put Grix back in. I'm not blaming Connor with any of our losses but Grix is a lot more experienced at sorting out the defensive line and might relieve some of the pressure from everyone.

It's a tough call for next week regarding team selection in general, not just the full back. We need a win.

connor has earned his place and should keep it until proven otherwise, he's still a young lad learning the game and will only get better and more experience by playing games and learning!
it's no good dropping him for Grix because Grix is more experienced, how does Jake gain experience if we drop him for a more experienced player?
must say though that he needs to learn fast about his defensive duties, as he is a bit behind on this, and cut out the niggle!

same 17 for me next week, why change for changes sake?

I think the biggest testament to how connor is doing is that Leeds didn't put him under any pressure- they obviously feel he has what it takes or they would have targeted him all night.

I'm pretty sure Anderson will pull Connor out soon, he has earned his place but Anderson will revert back to what he knows as he gets under more pressure In my opinion.

Wood made a difference last night when he came on and sparked the team up. No idea why we gave him 10 minutes and Lunt 70!?

Because he is tactically poor. He has proved this in the past and continues to do so. We could all see that Wood was the better option last night. Why couldn't Anderson?

Without a bit of off the cuff Magic from Brough we are predictable and an opposition coaches dream.

Woody is coming back from a very bad injury. He was never going to do long minutes - perhaps anderson thought fresh legs at the ruck would be a good idea- and it would- if lunt ever bothered to use them by running the ball any more. What's got into him- he doesnt even take a step most of the time!

He appears to be just going through the motions, no passion or desire. Really is frustrating, especially after seeing what he can do.

He needs to up his game because there won't be many takers on current form.

for me Ferris is the one who needs to find some form very poor last night . In attack our back row offered very little last night if we going to play Bruno for is D maybe its time for him to move to front row a couple of times attacking in the 25 all it needed was fast hands ball gets to bruno move stops as an x he should a major force going forward

Lunt was shown up by robbo against wigan
Lunt was shown up by wood against leeds
For me wood and robbo? Give it a shot and then there is cruise to bring in also!
Ferres just needs to relax, good defensively alothough struggling to find his offload this year.
And Connor well stick with the lad alreadu a good attacking full back he just needs to work on his goal line defence and couple of try's last night he could have done a bit better with if not stopped. But more than happy with what he is brining to full back

lunt shown up by robbo at wigan

cant have watched the game i watched then! robbo was worst player on the pitch 2nd half of that game