No it wasnt

Saints are a world class team, and can open anyone up any time - Roby is one of the very best hookers in the game and can do that to anyone

We got sweet FA from the ref tonight, absolutely nothing but thats only a factor (so I am not saying we lost cos of the ref, but it seems challenging Saints for a high ball is a penalisable offence)

I think at times out defence was the best its been in months, we held Saints out for 11 tackles on our line at one point when before its taken one to get through us.

Our offence isnt clicking and thats still Browns legacy - 4 hookers? But who do we swap them with?

Mason, Chan were also both superb - Lawrence had a good game

Ferres was solid

But we have too many hookers, simple as that. We want 2 on the squad, tops. If nothing else, bump up the academy lads

All the playing in the wrong positions earlier in the season is till coming in to roost.

No confidence.

mason and Moore still giving away penalties every game.

Positives for me Lawrence much better in the backs. Chan very good. Grix better.

negatives the two ms above and the over paid uninterested Faalongo.

The rest Brough and Eorl aside average at best

Yup can Moore as I said this morning but start working in the ruck area !!! too many lazy players thought Eden did ok, Ferres for a first game but Moore and Fa'alago over paid for the lack of effort they put in and Gilmour was poor again !!!

We were bossed by the most average Saints side for years we made them look good and an 11-2 penalty count didn't help but it's what you get when you play on the back foot !!!

That said, I think tonights performance would have beaten the Wakey team last week (and Widnes &Salford )

Could someone please teach Grix how to tackle. I'm sick of seeing him either run past the player or swing off them! The amount of tries he has cost us because he can tackle must be huge!

More than one player! Grix's running was okay!

Chan, Leroy, Bruno, Eorl, Mason were all very good tonight.

Ferres went well for a first go, much better than I thought he would tbh.

Larne is clearly playing with a serious arm/hand injury but still ran straight & hard & tried his best.

Robbo tried but was in the wrong position too often.

Luke George had a mixed night. The missed tackle for the first try was awful. But he pulled himself around later in the game, credit for that.

However.....Moore was pigging rubbish again. The whole go forward of the pack is severly compromised when he's on. He leaves gaps you could drive a lorry through & once again gave a stupid unnecessary penalty away. And he is not fit! He would puff like Thomas the tank engine if he had to run a bath, let alone 10 meters. Waste of time.

Grix....woeful..yet again. The missed tackles for the Meli & Roby tries were an absolute disgrace for a professional footballer. Couldn't tackle a fish & chip supper after a night out. Hopeless.

Fuey, Gilmour & Doof....what's the point? May as well play with 14 men & have done with it.

We have about half a team that want to play...the others just don't want to know.

We were stuffed by an average Saints side. There's trouble ahead if this doesn't get sorted for the Bulls game imo.

Eden improved tonight.

Mason scored a try but cost the Giants at least 3 with errors or penalties in the previous set. I wouldn't say he had a great game at all.

Moore always does give away penalties. But when he was with us he was very good in defence and would be feisty in attack. My guess is that with Brown leaving, he won't want to be at Hudds anymore. He went over there because Brown was there.

Effort was loads better tonight and we were hammered by the skinny guy in yellow, even the Saints fans on the way out said they couldn't believe some of the calls they got !

Eden, Leroy, Bruno and Eorl were the pick for me ......Mase was a mixed bag as i thought the team improved when he went off maybe through lack of penalties but he did ok when he was on !

That wasn't too bad a performance and hopefully the players will gain a bit of their confidence back from that !

oh and that its one nice stadium too !

Some seriously odd calls indeed did go in our favour but baffling and inconsistent decisions are par for the course in every game these days and hardly worthy of a mention.

I know you guys have been going through the horrors lately but I was still a little surprised by just how poor you were. Saints were no great shakes by any means but we could have easily put 70+ on you if we'd just played with [isome[/i intensity after the game was wrapped up on 30 minutes. Brough's kicking (depressingly a class apart from what we have available in that department right now) and Saints howlers apart you hardly threatened a largely sleepwalking Saints team at all which was terribly disappointing. It might be a long old rest of the season...

And as for Gilmour... if that's the way he's been playing for the rest of the season then perhaps retirement might be an idea.

At least 2 of the pens that Mason conceded were very harsh calls indeed. Ref was poor imo but in no way was he responsible for the loss.

Totally agree.

And I still say if the Giants has played like that last week, we'd have beaten wakey

I honestly thought at 28-6 we were gonna be on the wrong end of a proper 60/70 point hammering, but i think credit has to go to some extent to us for tightening up and playing with a bit more belief, we kept saints scoreless for around 25 mins which i thought was more down to us improving rather than saints switching off

Bob on, but the problem is, Scott Moore is no where near the quality of player that can be so demanding an get away with it. There's little to no chance of him linking up with Brown again in the near future, so he needs to pull his finger out before his career goes even further down the swanny.

yep....players all out of position...headless chickens... too many injuries to vital players...till this is remedied then its going to be the same story

plus the defence...what defence more like! we can defend penalties.... penalty against us and you can almost guarentee a try

still think we should get rid of anderson 3 hookers on the bench gilmore still playing in centres watching the last 2 games makes me wonder whos been doing most of the coaching in the last 3 months brown or anderson

doesnt really have much choice but to play that team...look at the injury list

And look at Browns stupid signings

Sold off his props and bought hookers.

Why did we let Raleigh go?

Indeed --and quite a few others !

Mason was utter tripe, I'd send him to LA to concentrate on his tan and his Rourke Effect for the rest of the year as the lad obviously has other things on his mind.

Grix wants shooting in his defence, attack wise, decent but defence is woeful

on same subject, a lot of the squad are going top half with tackles, this works for the "wrestle" but only if a player is there to wrap up the tackle at the lower half. There also needs to be commitment in the tackle, not flailing arms/half hearted atempts. The ball needs to be wrapped up

Gilmour should go Castleford now.

Moore is far better than Lee (needs a full pre-season behind him)

I seem to remember that it was Griffin that wanted to leave, and Raleigh as good a season he maybe having boat the moment couldn't hold a place in the team. Certainly wouldn't put him ahead of Crabtree, Patrick or Mason. He's average at best (albeit handy to us at the mo) the one that does seem a mistake if Kirmond. May well be Wakeys PoS.

Except when Griffon went that left us with only Raleigh as fourth prop
Now we have 3 and they are carrying knocks

You need 4 props in a squad, if not a 17
We have 2 1/2 (patrick is clearly injured)

We should never have got rid of Raleigh - or more to the point should have replaced him!

Code you need 5 props mate in your squad and i mean out and out props not backrower props ,Brown wanted rid of AR and DK and he got his way

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