i agree with daz i cant see halifax coming in for anyone else harlequins, crusaders and catalans will stay in super league what ever the state of them teams and i think cas and kr have no problem with license.

cant see halifax coming in over castlefore

halifax will juat have to hope they accept an extra super league team but not likely

Your not getting it guys
2012, Wakey are out Widnes are in~
2015 1 of Cas, HKR, Bulls, are out, expansionists ie Toulouse, are in
2018 1 of Cas, HKR, Bulls, are out, expansionists are in
2021 Hold on to your hats, thats if there is such a thing as Super League
People should, if they were around, remember, Super Leagues plans (our Morrises plans) Super League for Super clubs, only 3 in West Yorks.
" The vast eternal plan" remember.

HKR is not in West Yorks.

Can't see Wakey avoiding the drop, broken promises and going into administration have given the powers that be the perfect reason to get shut. Personally i'd get rid of Crusaders and Quins, i fail to see what these 2 teams exactly add to the game, both these teams have had more than their fair share of financial troubles, 1 of them was involved in irregular player registrations but the powers that be continually play down these indescretions and go out of their way and bend over backwards for them in the name of "expansion" if these 2 so called "expansion teams" are the future of the game then "god help us".

Maybe the SKY money.







No expansion, no selling SKY boxes, no SKY sponsorship, NO PROFESSIONAL RUGBY LEAGUE. Crusaders and Harlequins are more important than 12 of the 14 SL teams.

Arguing about losing Harlequins and a Welsh team in favour of a " Heartland" team is the most pointless discussion in modern RL

Now insert any other 2 teams in there, the majority will fit the rest of the sentence.

leeds and hull fc

Apart from anything else, if we are to become a National game then we need a London team.

There's more chance of the RFL getting rid of Leeds and Wigan than Crusaders and Quins......it makes you wonder how much say in the franchise SKY TV have !!

this idea about sky saying they need larndon and crusaders, is it something sky have said or is it just a presumption?

wakey are going by the looks of it, and as they are near the bottom and just out of administration that gives super league the excuse they needed to get rid, but they are certainly no worse than crusaders who have very few fans, just out of admin, illegal players in the past few years and you can hardly call wrexham expansion into wales, its only 30 miles from widnes

Its bollox, its up ther with the RFL bailing out the Quins, surprisingly thats never happened neither



How far into wales does it have to be?

wales isnt that far fella, expansion into cardiff is ok( not that i agree with it), expansion into wrexham is not worth bothering as the crowds have proved

Sky did make it quite clear to the RFL that they wanted SL to have a wider geographical scope than it had. They did not mention Quins but you do not have to be a genius to work out that the 3 clubs which make up a geographical expansion are Crusaders, Quins and Catalans.

Catalans IMHO add a lot to SL, crusaers give us a foothold in Wales and Quins are the geographical expansion.

There is no reason why in the future that Quins will not be allowed to fail but it would surely occur in conjunction with the rise of the Skolars or another expansion team.

The crowds at Wrexham started off quite well. Things only went downhill when they lost all their players and they started having financial problems. There is huge potential in North Wales, unfortunately those who control the club do not seem to buy into it. It will be yet another wasted RL opportunity.

One season in wales proves what?

By your reasoning Charlie, id sack off every club with under a 1000 gate each week and most of these clubs are crap after 100 years of having a go, ourselves included in that.

2 of the 3 teams you mention werent even around at the inception of skys coverage

Feel free to link me where Quins had to be in at skys bequest

widnes didnt get in because wakey are going out. widnes got in because the rl says they are expanding super league. but if the likes of wakey and cas dont meet the criteria. im still sure halifax wont get in as they will keep it at 13 team super league

i arent saying that fella so stop putting words into my mouth lol... the rfl/ super league seem to pick and chose the expansion teams very lightly as gateshead did ok i believe , top 6? and gates of around 6000 but were swallowed up to save hull fc, where as crusaders seem to get help in their quest, even after employing illegal workers and going into admin

They've been there 1 season

Sky have renewed their contract on several occasions since SL started in 96. Therefore when they last renewed Quins were in and there was agreement about the French team.

There are no direct quotes about which teams should be in because if there where it would be very clear that Sky called the shots obviously that would be very unpalatable to the fans and the RFL etc.

There were however lots of cryptic comments from both sky and the RFL when contracts were being renewed about, " the benefits of a wider geographical spread", and the number of Sky RL supporters in the , " South East". This was clearly aimed at supporting the need for a southern / London team.

Indeed the franchising criteria of not being within 20 miles of an existing professional RL team clearly benefitted only 3 clubs which were the three i previously mentioned as NO team along the M62 corriudor would ever have gotten a point for meeting that criteria.

So thats a no then

Cheers Mick

only if you have to be told what to think rather than work it out from the available evidence

So nothing direct and im going off cryptic clues



We got any links for these cryptic clues or am i taking your memory as a given?

Yes it is only short term memory that is a problem, not what happened 3 years ago.