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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"on what??
The proposed new ground or belle vue??'"
Why would you need planning permission for belle vue
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| Quote ="Gahan"Why would you need planning permission for belle vue
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We wouldn't and don't......but the new owners might/would!
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"nope, sold in 2007 l think. (at the peak!)'"
Unless the money was handed over in 2007 and you now rent the stadium that will not have happened.
The next question would be where that money went as it should have been declared as operating profit and therefore taxed as such.
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"Care to elaborate any further??
Don't think crowd size will have anything to do with it! We have a site in place, a builder is place, have already sold our ground etc etc.'"
so what did happen with the naming rights project?
How many STs did you sell?
How much are gates down since last year ( despite several wins)?
You got £1.7M up front for the stadium at the end of 07 but have only 0.5M left. Where has the rest of the £ gone.?
You have a (greenfield)site with no planning permission a developer but no apparent funding.
Rumours - nothing more or less - are that players are available for release.
And now out of the blue a sale of shares! Not for investment in facilities or long term development but for ongoing player costs. for this season or next season..who knows?
Trin looking to raise £100K from a quick share sale. I wonder where the £100K figure for Brough came from..............
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"so what did happen with the naming rights project?
How many STs did you sell?
How much are gates down since last year ( despite several wins)?
You got £1.7M up front for the stadium at the end of 07 but have only 0.5M left. Where has the rest of the £ gone.?
You have a (greenfield)site with no planning permission a developer but no apparent funding.
Rumours - nothing more or less - are that players are available for release.
And now out of the blue a sale of shares! Not for investment in facilities or long term development but for ongoing player costs. for this season or next season..who knows?
Trin looking to raise £100K from a quick share sale. I wonder where the £100K figure for Brough came from..............'"
Don't know
Not Sure
Don't know
Apparently funding is in place
You have answered your own question, just rumours
Not sure if that is a question
Not Sure
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"That is the point though, isn't??
The relevant people are already convinced! (so they tell us)'"
From what I have read the stadium is still years away. I certainly don't believe all the bluster, especially given previous blusterings!
In the meantime crowds are down, big rumours of Wakey being potless etc. Not exactly an avalanche of good noises.
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"Don't know
Not Sure
Don't know
Apparently funding is in place
You have answered your own question, just rumours
Not sure if that is a question
Not Sure'"
Sad to know so little about your own club. However they treat you like mushrooms re stadium naming / STs etc.
Not seen a singe article saying the cost of the stadium and how it wil be paid for. Have you/ (or are you in the dark..again?)
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"Sad to know so little about your own club. However they treat you like mushrooms re stadium naming / STs etc.
Not seen a singe article saying the cost of the stadium and how it wil be paid for. Have you/ (or are you in the dark..again?)'"
Give the guy a bit of slack MG. I don't know the ins and outs of our club and why should I?
Do we have £100,000 to spend on a player? etc - I can not answer.
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| Quote ="Danril"From what I have read the stadium is still years away. I certainly don't believe all the bluster, especially given previous blusterings!
In the meantime crowds are down, big rumours of Wakey being potless etc. Not exactly an avalanche of good noises.'"
Yes, if the stadium does happen it is years away, but that is no different to Cas, Salford, Saints, Bradford
Cant really comment on rumours.....what do you want me to say?? Suppose all l can say is non of the players so far have said anything.......would you not say that is a good sign??......you would expect the players or the agents to go public if they believed there was any truth in the rumours.
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| Quote ="Wadski"Give the guy a bit of slack MG. I don't know the ins and outs of our club and why should I?
Do we have £100,000 to spend on a player? etc - I can not answer.'"
Cheers for that, think you have your answer Marsdengiant!
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| The bit im struggling with (not hard i know) is why would you sell your stadium in 2007 with no new stadium in the pipeline back then, looks to me like your in the proverbial big time.
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| Quote ="Gahan"The bit im struggling with (not hard i know) is why would you sell your stadium in 2007 with no new stadium in the pipeline back then, looks to me like your in the proverbial big time.'"
I wonder if they've been stung by the image rights tax loophole closure?
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| Quote ="Wadski"I wonder if they've been stung by the image rights tax loophole closure?'"
Back in 2007??
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"Back in 2007??'"
no the recent closure. Hence the need to raise some cash but selling a player or share issue. It looks like it is cash you require rather than salary cap space / player.
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| Yes, that's what it seems like to me. Cashflow problems, possibly due (at least in part) to reduced crowd levels from their projections.
Either way, what will be will be.
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| Just to add in some Wakey attendance stats here:
Average YTD is 5,772. Average for 2008 was 6,962. Down 17%
Average compared to the like for like fixtures from last season is down 19% and on a round to round basis is down 24%
Wakeys highest attendance of the season so far (6,57icon_cool.gif is only 222 more than our lowest of the season so far (6,356).
Now, assuming that the crowd average stays the same that equates to 15,470 speccies less for Wakey this season. At an average of say £10 a pop, well, you're talking about £150k.
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| The people of Wakefield need to have a look at themselves.
Their team are doing them proud and deserve better support than that.
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| Quote ="Baron Greenback"The people of Wakefield need to have a look at themselves.
Their team are doing them proud and deserve better support than that.'"
Cheers for them pearls of wisdom!
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| Quote ="Danril"Just to add in some Wakey attendance stats here:
Average YTD is 5,772. Average for 2008 was 6,962. Down 17%
Average compared to the like for like fixtures from last season is down 19% and on a round to round basis is down 24%
Wakeys highest attendance of the season so far (6,57icon_cool.gif is only 222 more than our lowest of the season so far (6,356).
Now, assuming that the crowd average stays the same that equates to 15,470 speccies less for Wakey this season. At an average of say £10 a pop, well, you're talking about £150k.'"
this is true but !!!!!
we have had Salford and Catalan at home already so only have Quinn's as a low attendance match to come .
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we still have Leeds , cas and hull kr to visit BV , i
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"Cheers for them pearls of wisdom!'"
Unfortunately the people who will read BG's statement are the ones who don't need to. It's the other people sat at home on a Sunday. You've had it tough this year and you need your supporters to turn out in force - the team is performing but the support isn't.
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| Quote ="Danril"Yes, that's what it seems like to me. Cashflow problems, possibly due (at least in part) to reduced crowd levels from their projections.
Either way, what will be will be.'"
the club is currently in the black , now im no financial whiz kid or a member of the HBoS BoD but im sure that equates to not being skint.
you are right in what you say about the low level of attendances but im sure that by the time the next round of franchises come around our attendances would of rose up again.
it seems a lot have hit onto the fact that wakey tried to get 100K for brough but nobody as concluded that just maybe lowly little Wakefield may be about to ......lets say invest the cash in other ways and being prudent decided that they would try to raise the cash by offloading brough to the first suckers who would pay 100k. obviously they seem to have contacted Huddersfield first when this fell through Wakefield decide to raise 100k for player strengthening using us the fans .
sometimes information is a bad thing , im almost wetting myself . BTW have you listened to the pod cast for the wakey match . looks like Barrie mac is also an informed guy
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| Quote ="Wadski"Give the guy a bit of slack MG. I don't know the ins and outs of our club and why should I?
Do we have £100,000 to spend on a player? etc - I can not answer.'"
You know ST sales. And if the Giants announced some stadium naming rights fundraiser with a big fanfare you might expect to hear what happened. these are not private dealings after all.
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| Quote ="Marsdengiant"You know ST sales. And if the Giants announced some stadium naming rights fundraiser with a big fanfare you might expect to hear what happened. these are not private dealings after all.'"
that means nothing
its the private dealings that can screw a club , not saying for one minute your club is in any kind of trouble BTW if that was the case Mr Davey would be out like the king rat on the titanic.
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| Quote ="Mutts"the club is currently in the black , now im no financial whiz kid or a member of the HBoS BoD but im sure that equates to not being skint.
you are right in what you say about the low level of attendances but im sure that by the time the next round of franchises come around our attendances would of rose up again.
it seems a lot have hit onto the fact that wakey tried to get 100K for brough but nobody as concluded that just maybe lowly little Wakefield may be about to ......lets say invest the cash in other ways and being prudent decided that they would try to raise the cash by offloading brough to the first suckers who would pay 100k. obviously they seem to have contacted Huddersfield first when this fell through Wakefield decide to raise 100k for player strengthening using us the fans .
sometimes information is a bad thing , im almost wetting myself . BTW have you listened to the pod cast for the wakey match . looks like Barrie mac is also an informed guy
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I'm not on HBOS BoD or a financial whioz kid but being given £1.7million and only having £500K left is not running in the black whatever way you look at it. Looks more like =red£1.2Million
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| Quote ="Wadski"I'm not on HBOS BoD or a financial whioz kid but being given £1.7million and only having £500K left is not running in the black whatever way you look at it. Looks more like =red£1.2Million '"
depends on where the money as gone which tbf nobody on RLFans can give a proper full on answer although it as gone on other projects .
Don't know what Semi Tallulah's Bupa bill was but that was pretty steep (Aledgedly)
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