When he played ( put a shirt on ) for us he was pretty poor , that is how we will remember him , I've no doubt there are Widnes fans with similar opinions of players that have gained hero worship at other clubs , but been absolutely gash for the Vikings

Unfortunately the bitter and twisted gene has spread rapidly. It's not the worst board with some good debating people, but the fact there are 4/5 threads a wekk moaning about franchisng and also every other simialr topic on every other board ends up with the same constant moaning it does get boring.

I know we all take the 'hard done bye attitude' us arguabbly more than most at the time but Leythers seem to take every RFL call even a cup draw FFS as a personal insult and arguablly a desperate crave for attention!

It's posts like this that make a few glad they wont be visiting Leigh again for a good while.

The RFL make the rules and we've followed them and are now in the best position for promotion. You lot have done naff all for years now, its not Widnes fault.

Perhaps if you get that massive chip of your shoulder you may start to progress.

THANK HEAVENS!
Hope is not lost

You haven't done anything that you hadn't done before , just this time it's the timing that is right

As for us progressing , not much chance of that , in 8 days time you lot step aboard the last lifeboat on the Titanic , well just keep moving the deck chairs until we go under , wakeys lifeboat has a bloody big hole in it and they're sticking anything they can get their hands on into it , they will fail , and join us in the cold dark waters of the Championships ad infinitum

Why do you continuously doubt yourself? what's to stop Leigh winning a final this year or next and then progressing with steady crowds of over 2,000. You already tick most of them magical boxes.

You don't know that it will be a closed door Starbug, your only guessing. Never give up hope and continue to fight, as much as Tipster Ste has annoyed me with his garbage post ill still come on here and continue to fight for the championship as much as i can. In fact ill be campaigning for the Lobby Gobblers to come up next time.

Dont give up, we didn't last time and fought all the way.

I don't want Leigh to get a licence

Why? Because Leigh couldn't act like the righteous voice of Rugby League then?

No , because as a club Leigh are not strong enough to survive a licenced SL

Why? because Leigh wouldn't survive? balls!

If Cas can survive along with Salford on garbage grounds for years then sure to god Leigh can with a state of the art stadium. I'm sure 90% of Leigh fans want a shot at SL, of course you need a sugar daddy to fund and you have one. You cant tell me that your comfortable being in the championship, no doubt Arthur is losing epic amounts of money every year and would like to see a bit of success in return ie getting into SL.

The only way Leigh would get a SL licence is if a current SL club , either expansion or heartland , financially implodes , I don't want that to happen , I wouldn't want that to be the reason we got to SL , and if that was to happen and we were to get into SL in that way , it would then only be a matter of time till we suffered the same fate , strangely it is a fate we might end up suffering in the Championship anyway

We would have a better chance with Hilton Park than the LSV , let me ask you a question

What was the main reason Widnes went into admin ?

Poor mis-management for years and spending silly amounts of money on average players to stay in / get back to SL via on the field results?

We went into Admin because we were debt ridden, the club directors at the time were banking on getting into SL so they could get them greedy little hands on all that sky money. Things didn't work out and Vaughan had left but was asking silly money for his shares in the club.

Reverting to franchises takes away that boom or bust mentality you know.

Your deal with the council was crippling you

How do I know this ?

I was told as much in 2004 , by Widnes club staff

We are in a similar position now , so either in SL or out of SL we will struggle at the LSV

Don't we all just know that will light a fuse under Starbug now!

Not at all Jonny , some clubs are suited to licencing , some aren't , IMO , we aren't

Ah yes the good old HBC rent debate, your quite correct in saying that starbug, thankfully when Steve took over he negotiated a much better deal.

The stadium may soon be his to...................

Are you suited to promotion and relegation?

And you had to put the future of the club on the line to get it changed , it worked , and that is THE main off field difference between now and 5 years ago , in 2002 Leigh were turning over almost a million pounds , now much less why would that be ?

I suspect many leythers are in the dark about how much rent your actually paying for the use of the LSV, im sure it would shock a fair few.

Yes , that is the only way we can generate interest in the club , our floating fan base is far too fickle to risk a long term stay at the bottom of SL

Your fan base has been slowly eroding , you should hopefully be in time to build it next season , although another 3 years in the Championship with no guaranteed promotion at the end of it would have had similar consequences for yourself

All IMO of course

I wont deny that we have a lost a few, they have crept back up though over recent weeks to the point of over 3,000 again. Bloody Hunslet spoiled the party though!



Definitely enough floaters who would come flooding back though should the decision be correct next Thursday. Having 2,000 in a 13,500 stadium is awful.

It isn't the actual rent , it is more the loss of revenue streams and the lack of possibilities to make money out of the stadium other than getting paying fans through the doors , licencing has all but removed that , and no guaranteed promotion will kill it stone dead

You say " winning a final this year " , do we even know if this year ' counts ' ?

That is why I am fairly certain there will be no guaranteed place next time , that and the way Steve Parkin ( a businessman that makes Steve O Connor look poor ) changed his mind about taking on Wakey after a meeting with the RFL

So we all just ' hang around ' like the vultures in the jungle book waiting for some SL club to ' die ' , good innit