Hardly a fault of this 'administration' though is it they haven't been here two minutes as yet, when the same suggestion has been made over the years it has largely been ignored so at least they have been taking suggestions on board, and as for the repeat customer base aren't they the same people who are largely aware of when matches are taking place and the majority turn up as and when anyway
There is no easy answer to getting the public in or even getting them to take part ion a survey as the majority of people in any rugby playing town appear to be apathetic to Rugby League, the only short term answer is getting the local amateurs into the fold as at least they are interested in the sport, but even talking to them they hold grudges from years ago which they cant or wont let go even though those grudges were levelled at people who have not been at the pro club for years, but such is the nature of 'the beast'.

The thing is Alan, these idea's are standard practice in running a business, but it seems that for as long as I can remember and were involved and then not involved the club is seen as a hobby, well time to start being a business, that involves employing people to do these things, before you go blowing 90% of your budget on RL players

To do a proper gathering of information does require a ' Gate ' Census IMO, although a large proportion can be done beforehand as regards ST holders, and once you have done the 1 st one, the following years it becomes much simpler, just requiring possibly nothing more than requesting a postcode

Once again, this is not just about matchday preference, once you have everybodys details you can ask them anything simply by either e mailing them or texting them ,both forms of communication cost very little, and it gives you an indication of how you are performing

But that still doesnt give you everybodies e mail address, mobile no, address, age and beer preference does it frank?

Once you have done a gate Census on a particular day, there is nothing to stop you then using the local press, this website, club website asking for others who cannot attend that particular day to contact the club with their details

Also bearing in mind if you had already done a Census and obtained this information you could ask people for name and postcode when purchasing a ticket which would tell you who had stopped attending and you could ask them why

Not suggesting it is their fault Fred, just worried they will take the easy option as many have done before

As far as the local amatuers are concerned, personally I dont think it works, playing and watching ( especially not top tier ) dont neccessarily go in hand, when at HP, I witnessed many curtain raisers where once their game was over, coaches, players and parents were in a rush to get out of the ground so as not to miss the kick off at Wigan,Saints and Warrington

Leigh Centurions it seemed where not deemed good enough to be watched by our local juniors

'Super League' and 'Rugby League'

I have touched on this before and both of the above conjure up conflicting conceptions of our sport.

Agreed. You can also tell them things, which is the other side of the communication equation.

Yes it is, which is also the idea behind getting large numbers of new fans into the stadium by hook or crook for 1 game, you retain their details, and then are able to supply them with offers that might entice them to attend again

Information ( potential new fans ) is the key to the clubs future

It just needs that leap of faith to obtain it

So its seems Friday night is the only NO NO

But is it just down to them playing well and winning frank?

Or is it down to long term plans instigated when they were relegated ? , which have pushed their business forward in many facets ?

Friday night is the least preferred for those that will go regardless. Everyone on here is missing the point. 95% of the 1500 fans that currently watch will still go no matter what day/night we play. The question needs to be which day/night would help to increase the current poor crowds by attracting new/old fans and increase the corporate revenue in the boxes. Tap into the research that has already been done by the Super League clubs over the last fifteen years about how they increased their crowds and match day revenue and copy that. It's proven and factual. There is no point trying to re-invent the wheel. Why would leigh be any different to any other RL club/town? Ask yourselves why do Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Saints and Wire NEVER schedule home games for a Saturday evening? Do you think they haven't done the research?

All those clubs are in SL, they in the main are able to attract much larger corporate support and income than Leigh, our potential for corporate income is tiny compared to these clubs, our focus has to be bums on seats and feet on terrace

...and Super League is the target that the B.O.M. have set themselves. We have to start acting like a SL club if we want to be one. Copy the successful business models with paitience and un-quivering determination to stay on that model (despite what unexpected pitfalls that come up) and you can't fail. Trying to re-invent the wheel is a waste of time and money and will take your focus away from your targets.

Are you being serious ?

So which SL club do think we can currently emulate? , Wakefield maybe? , Bradford? , London?

Which current SL club is operating a successful business model? , Huddersfield? , Salford? ,HKR? , Wigan even?

Maybe focussing on being the best Championship Club might be the best target to aim for and attain 1 st

We won't follow anyone's lead.

Our business plan and model is based on sustainability first and foremost and building from the grass routes up.

Engaging the youth and community and linking ourselves to health and education is what we will look to do over a period of time.

While Paul needs and will have additional resources for 2014 onwards to give us a chance of being in the mix for 2015 it is not and will not be poop or bust, it's a long term plan and long term vision.

The state of SL clubs generally is frightening and some of these teams are simply unsustainable and have quite simply failed to deliver sustainable community clubs, we need to be ready as our destiny will soon be in our own hands again and we need to learn from not just our own failings in the past but the failings of SL clubs generally not copy them.

Wire play Sunday 3pm when not on TV, I would take Sunday 3pm to May then Saturday 6.30pm for the rest of the season
Get a build up outside with bands, Parky, bouncy castle, Legends etc plus no competition with local SL teams

Lynda , Charlie agrees with you , Friday nights are no good , we tried them before and they don't work , I know a few people who cant go because of work commitments , I realise people work on Sundays to , but you must go with the majority , I voted for Sunday afternoons , but I would go along with early evenings on Saturdays .

The above schedule would be a very good plan to implement in my opinion

It would be fine except for being forced to play thursday or friday to accomadate Premier Sports

Steve , im gonna ask Hendrix when he wants the games to be played

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Quote ="charlie caroli"Lynda , Charlie agrees with you , Friday nights are no good , we tried them before and they don't work , I know a few people who cant go because of work commitments , I realise people work on Sundays to , but you must go with the majority , I voted for Sunday afternoons , but I would go along with early evenings on Saturdays .'" fluidab3.miniserver.com/~global/ ... 071112.pdf The evidence would suggest that in fact Fridays have a better average than Sundays, so how can you say they don't work?

Mark Twain "'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'"

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I was at the fans forum when that evidence was presented and if I recall correctly our best attendances happened to be on a Thursday.

Fact is people who pick and choose their games are more likely to attend against perceived better opposition.

Soon we will have promotion and relegation back in all 3 leagues and I think that will help most clubs.

When licenscing was introduced I posted from day 1 that it would be harmfull to the pro game and would not last long.

It has proved worst than I feared and lasted far too long and thank god it is nearly over.

He would provide better opinion than some posters on here Ian

Well I haven't looked at the said Reports , but for me our crowds didn't increase by Friday night games , im sure Trevor B was trying to implement Friday games and didn't see any increase .

As for next season I know 2 potential Co-operative sponsers , who wouldn't be able to get to Friday Games because of work commitments , I realise some would want still want Friday Games , but its all down to what suits the individual .