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How did Salford Red Devils get in this mess?
In April 2023 Salford Red Devils launched a community share scheme entitled “Reds Rise Together.” The aim was to raise between £250K - £2M to secure the long-term future of the club. Along with raising of capital, there were a number of commercial targets, like growing average attendances by 2000, securing income streams on matchdays and securing a long-term lease with money through refreshment sales.
SRD Holdings LTD Profit & Loss
Actual 2021 Actual 2022 Estimated 2023 Estimated 2024 Estimated 2025
Total Income 2612209 3154036 3469440 3900613 4321405
Total Expenditure 2961643 3734884 3873761 4395060 4511381
Profit/Loss Before Tax (349434) (580848) (404321) (494447) (189976)
The aim was to reduce the £580K loss in 2022 to a more manageable £189K loss in 2025 and break even some time in the near future. According to ChatGPT SRD were able to raise an incredible £1.5M, more conventional search engines put the figure at over £250K on the 30th May 2023.
The rest of the prospectus appears to have been less successful. Objective 3: To increase average match attendance by 2000 within 3 years. This in reality requires Salford to achieve average attendances of 6000 in 2025. The average figure in a successful season like 2024 was only 4646 way below the projected figure. This greatly impacts on the estimated income of nearly £4M which also incorporates the projected income stream for refreshments, which incidentally has still not been negotiated with Salford City Council, even though the season starts in just over two weeks time.
Salford City Council have periodically propped up the club with loans and grants to cover shortfalls in the SRD coffers. ChatGPT states that, “As of the latest available information, Salford Red Devils owe £1.6 million to Salford City Council. This debt primarily relates to the club's lease at the AJ Bell Stadium, and there have been ongoing discussions between the council and the club about restructuring this debt.”
Salford City Council have recently bought out Peel Holding for £7M at a time when most councils in England and Wales are strapped for cash. Salford City Council is believed to be £1.5 Billion in debt.
Salford Red Devils have far exceeded the goodwill of Salford City Council, and the Rugby League club have used the council like a personal piggy bank. They have assumed that possible income streams are available to be spend before they receive the money and in many cases the money never arrives. They have massively overprojected their ability to attract additional fans and to maximise commercial opportunities. How envious the SRD community board must be when they look West down the East Lancashire Road and see the Leigh Leopards achieving everything that they set out to do in the “Reds Rise Together” prospectus.
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/uploads/p ... digital_(1).pdf
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/uploads/p ... s_plan.pdf
The Salford debacle is only a few weeks away from being rectified one way or another. 30th January marks this months pay day (do they have the funds to pay?)
9th February marks Salford's first competitive game of the season and the need to register players with the RFL. Without a new paymaster will the £1.2M salary cap be enforced.
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/wh ... strictions
Using the Wrexham takeover of a community club as an example - it took 6 months from NDA to announcement, and a further 3 months to ratify. Salford need to wrap it all up in less than 6 weeks or players are walking out on voided contracts.
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How did Salford Red Devils get in this mess?
In April 2023 Salford Red Devils launched a community share scheme entitled “Reds Rise Together.” The aim was to raise between £250K - £2M to secure the long-term future of the club. Along with raising of capital, there were a number of commercial targets, like growing average attendances by 2000, securing income streams on matchdays and securing a long-term lease with money through refreshment sales.
SRD Holdings LTD Profit & Loss
Actual 2021 Actual 2022 Estimated 2023 Estimated 2024 Estimated 2025
Total Income 2612209 3154036 3469440 3900613 4321405
Total Expenditure 2961643 3734884 3873761 4395060 4511381
Profit/Loss Before Tax (349434) (580848) (404321) (494447) (189976)
The aim was to reduce the £580K loss in 2022 to a more manageable £189K loss in 2025 and break even some time in the near future. According to ChatGPT SRD were able to raise an incredible £1.5M, more conventional search engines put the figure at over £250K on the 30th May 2023.
The rest of the prospectus appears to have been less successful. Objective 3: To increase average match attendance by 2000 within 3 years. This in reality requires Salford to achieve average attendances of 6000 in 2025. The average figure in a successful season like 2024 was only 4646 way below the projected figure. This greatly impacts on the estimated income of nearly £4M which also incorporates the projected income stream for refreshments, which incidentally has still not been negotiated with Salford City Council, even though the season starts in just over two weeks time.
Salford City Council have periodically propped up the club with loans and grants to cover shortfalls in the SRD coffers. ChatGPT states that, “As of the latest available information, Salford Red Devils owe £1.6 million to Salford City Council. This debt primarily relates to the club's lease at the AJ Bell Stadium, and there have been ongoing discussions between the council and the club about restructuring this debt.”
Salford City Council have recently bought out Peel Holding for £7M at a time when most councils in England and Wales are strapped for cash. Salford City Council is believed to be £1.5 Billion in debt.
Salford Red Devils have far exceeded the goodwill of Salford City Council, and the Rugby League club have used the council like a personal piggy bank. They have assumed that possible income streams are available to be spend before they receive the money and in many cases the money never arrives. They have massively overprojected their ability to attract additional fans and to maximise commercial opportunities. How envious the SRD community board must be when they look West down the East Lancashire Road and see the Leigh Leopards achieving everything that they set out to do in the “Reds Rise Together” prospectus.
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/uploads/p ... digital_(1).pdf
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/uploads/p ... s_plan.pdf
The Salford debacle is only a few weeks away from being rectified one way or another. 30th January marks this months pay day (do they have the funds to pay?)
9th February marks Salford's first competitive game of the season and the need to register players with the RFL. Without a new paymaster will the £1.2M salary cap be enforced.
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/wh ... strictions
Using the Wrexham takeover of a community club as an example - it took 6 months from NDA to announcement, and a further 3 months to ratify. Salford need to wrap it all up in less than 6 weeks or players are walking out on voided contracts.
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"It is important to add that the advancement monies were held by RL Commercial and payments administered directly from them - the club have never been given the funds to manage directly."
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"It is important to add that the advancement monies were held by RL Commercial and payments administered directly from them - the club have never been given the funds to manage directly."
Looks like Salford players are getting paid this month.
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| Interesting that £500K pays for 3 months player salaries almost down to the last penny.
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| Best result is for Salford to complete takeover discussions and retain their players and a place in SL. Any other outcome is disastrous for the competition and TV deals. Sick of hearing all this negativity. We should be talking RL up because IMG aren't.
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| Looks like Salford have today managed to pay their players' wages for January.
According to reports the next key date is a week on Sunday, Sunday 9th February, when they have to have registered their players for their cup game against Midlands Hurricanes. It follows that to do so they will only be able to play and register players within their imposed salary cap.
The 9th February it is then. Watch out for last minute player sales and if there are any it is likely to involve Sneyd in which case do not rule out Leigh making a move.
Salford have to get the investment/take-over agreed, approved by RL and rescue finance in place in their bank account straight away before the start of the season. Whilst some things can happen in business fairly quickly, take-overs generally take much longer.
I fear that for Salford it is all not going to happen quickly enough, if at all.
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| I suppose they could also sit out players for the beginning of the SL season too if they're convinced the takeover is going to happen. Still spending money on contracts though, so would be interesting to see if the sustainability cap might be further reduced if it drags on.
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| [quote="micktheleyther":yk4t7ap5]I suppose they could also sit out players for the beginning of the SL season too if they're convinced the takeover is going to happen. Still spending money on contracts though, so would be interesting to see if the sustainability cap might be further reduced if it drags on.[/quote:yk4t7ap5]
Mick, my reading of the situation is that they cannot sit players out as you suggest. Players who are not registered will become free agents because they will not be paid. It follows that players who are registered must have a combined salary below or at the limit of the imposed salary cap. They cannot have paid players outside the salary cap limit. this is why they would have to sell.
Apologies if I am misunderstanding the position.
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| [quote="Jack Gaskell":ry2vs4z3]Mick, my reading of the situation is that they cannot sit players out as you suggest. Players who are not registered will become free agents because they will not be paid. It follows that players who are registered must have a combined salary below or at the limit of the imposed salary cap. They cannot have paid players outside the salary cap limit. this is why they would have to sell.
Apologies if I am misunderstanding the position.[/quote:ry2vs4z3]
I've got a bit of history in employment law, but it's been a while so I'm only 80% sure on what I'm saying here.
I believe the RFL have jurisdiction over players salaries. However, players are only players in the eyes of the salary cap regulations once they play a competitive game for the club. Until then they're just employees of the club. The RFL can refuse to register players if it would make the club break the salary cap rules.
I believe that if Salford chose to sit players to avoid registering them, then the player could, in theory, claim breach of contract as it could be demonstrated that they were signed to be part of the playing squad and that failing to register them is detrimental to their careers. I think it would be up to players to pursue that line themselves with the club and at employment tribunal if necessary.
If Salford were unable to make payroll at any point they would automatically find themselves in breach of contract and players would become free agents.
This should all be taken with a pinch of salt as I don't have detailed information on the regulations involved, but it is unlikely that the RFL have it within their remit to withhold the right of Salford to employ people in non-playing situations, which is what it would be if they don't register the players.
That being said, it could well be within the remit of the RFL to suggest that if Salford honour the contracts of players without registering them then they have not in fact reduced their costs in any meaningful way and their sustainability cap could be further reduced to compensate for that.
All in all, it's very complicated for Salford if the takeover doesn't happen soon and they have the sustainability cap lifted. There could be areas that would have to be clarified by tribunal or in the courts. They're also going against the spirit of what the RFL have asked of them.
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| [quote="micktheleyther":171k7usr]I've got a bit of history in employment law, but it's been a while so I'm only 80% sure on what I'm saying here.
I believe the RFL have jurisdiction over players salaries. However, players are only players in the eyes of the salary cap regulations once they play a competitive game for the club. Until then they're just employees of the club. The RFL can refuse to register players if it would make the club break the salary cap rules.
I believe that if Salford chose to sit players to avoid registering them, then the player could, in theory, claim breach of contract as it could be demonstrated that they were signed to be part of the playing squad and that failing to register them is detrimental to their careers. I think it would be up to players to pursue that line themselves with the club and at employment tribunal if necessary.
If Salford were unable to make payroll at any point they would automatically find themselves in breach of contract and players would become free agents.
This should all be taken with a pinch of salt as I don't have detailed information on the regulations involved, but it is unlikely that the RFL have it within their remit to withhold the right of Salford to employ people in non-playing situations, which is what it would be if they don't register the players.
That being said, it could well be within the remit of the RFL to suggest that if Salford honour the contracts of players without registering them then they have not in fact reduced their costs in any meaningful way and their sustainability cap could be further reduced to compensate for that.
All in all, it's very complicated for Salford if the takeover doesn't happen soon and they have the sustainability cap lifted. There could be areas that would have to be clarified by tribunal or in the courts. They're also going against the spirit of what the RFL have asked of them.[/quote:171k7usr]
Mick, in addition to all you have just posted there is the issue of the players themselves. They are the collateral damage in all of this. The longer Salford's situation drags on without a successful outcome at the end of it then the more the players are prejudiced with limited choice for those who have to be sold as to where they go and with moves having to take place at, potentially, very short notice with the obvious impact upon them and their families of sudden upheaval caused by last minute transfers.
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| [quote="micktheleyther":3sewmy04].......players are only players in the eyes of the salary cap regulations once they play a competitive game for the club.....[/quote:3sewmy04]
Great posts, both Mick & Jack.
A question in innocence (in fact two): if a player has appeared in a competitive fixture during the term of his present contract, does that mean that he is counted on quota?
If so, could The Devils dodge that by asking everyone to sign fresh contracts (on the same rub) or would the contracts be deemed contiguous by the authorities?
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| [quote="Bent&Bongser":33498xxb]Great posts, both Mick & Jack.
A question in innocence (in fact two): if a player has appeared in a competitive fixture during the term of his present contract, does that mean that he is counted on quota?
If so, could The Devils dodge that by asking everyone to sign fresh contracts (on the same rub) or would the contracts be deemed contiguous by the authorities?[/quote:33498xxb]
I'm not sure on either of those questions.
What I do know is that the government is involved with quota players through the visa system, which will always make things more rigid. The only way I've heard of getting quota players off the books is by loaning them out to another clubs,
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| [quote="Bent&Bongser":6ytbiewt]Great posts, both Mick & Jack.
A question in innocence (in fact two): if a player has appeared in a competitive fixture during the term of his present contract, does that mean that he is counted on quota?
If so, could The Devils dodge that by asking everyone to sign fresh contracts (on the same rub) or would the contracts be deemed contiguous by the authorities?[/quote:6ytbiewt]
My very unqualified answers are yes, they would count on the quota. This is why the Cup game is a crucial deadline for Salford.
Secondly, yes. Certainly a contract of employment can be changed (I suppose this would amount to all intents and purposes as a fresh contract) but only with the agreement of both employee and employer.
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| Thanks for the reply Mick. Bongser realises now that he muddied the water on the question by misusing the word quota whereby he meant cap. In this light, please reply again as your knowledge in this area is intriguing (and would make B seem "dead clever" when opining in The Egerton (Salford) tomorrow night!)
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| Thanks also, Jack. Please see the above apologia.
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| [quote="Bent&Bongser":2efpb7ia]Thanks for the reply Mick. Bongser realises now that he muddied the water on the question by misusing the word quota whereby he meant cap. In this light, please reply again as your knowledge in this area is intriguing (and would make B seem "dead clever" when opining in The Egerton (Salford) tomorrow night!)[/quote:2efpb7ia]
Good luck at The Egerton tomorrow night. Could Jack offer a very concerned suggestion for Bongser. Please take (and wear) a very hard hat and expect incoming missiles! The natives are very restless at the moment.
Yes, to question 1 in respect of the salary cap.
Jack's understanding is based upon recent articles rather than on a strict legal basis.
Salford are required to field a team against Midlands Hurricanes whose combined salaries (Salford's players) are below the imposed salary cap figure. To do that they either play their highest paid players and a team of academy children or, more likely, pick a team but with the top earners (probably Sneyd and Watkins amongst them) left out. Those who play will be fixed salary wise to count towards the cap figure because they will by that point be registered as Salford players for the coming season.
If the above is right then if Sneyd for example is left out of the team against Midlands Hurricanes then he will effectively be surplus and will have to be sold - pronto.
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| I seem to recall reading an article on the Salford situation which stated that the RFL were ‘holding the purse strings’ regarding the £500K granted ‘on account’ to the Devils. If this is accurate I wonder if the RFL would approve salary payments to unregistered players.
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| [quote="J7P1":3qwp0y6k]I seem to recall reading an article on the Salford situation which stated that the RFL were ‘holding the purse strings’ regarding the £500K granted ‘on account’ to the Devils. If this is accurate I wonder if the RFL would approve salary payments to unregistered players.[/quote:3qwp0y6k]
I think the whole point of the £500k advance was because they had no funding to cover their running costs and player salaries since November. In all probability it has already been spent and is not sitting there as a nest egg.
Without that money they would have had to go bust.
This most recent pay date of this Thursday was crucial to them to see if there was enough of that £500k left to pay this months wages. By all accounts there was just enough.
At the moment they just do not have enough money to keep running
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| [quote="J7P1":2wvavpig]I seem to recall reading an article on the Salford situation which stated that the RFL were ‘holding the purse strings’ regarding the £500K granted ‘on account’ to the Devils. If this is accurate I wonder if the RFL would approve salary payments to unregistered players.[/quote:2wvavpig]
Reported by the BBC
"It is important to add that the advancement monies were held by RL Commercial and payments administered directly from them - the club have never been given the funds to manage directly."
£500K appears to be the amount required to cover 3 months of Player salaries.
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| [quote="Jack Gaskell":1fc81ubv]Good luck at The Egerton tomorrow night. Could Jack offer a very concerned suggestion for Bongser. Please take (and wear) a very hard hat and expect incoming missiles! The natives are very restless at the moment.[/quote:1fc81ubv]
I think Bongser will be fine. The SRD fans are now blaming everything on Yorkshire bias. It is fault of Yorkshire clubs and Yorkshire "Jernos" (sic). Anybody from Lancashire and Cheshire will probably get a bye.
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| [quote="Frank Bumper Farrell":kzucju1s]I think Bongser will be fine....[/quote:kzucju1s]
AOK Bumper. The Egerton is by a Rail Station and on a major bus artery. We see Leigh fans (plural) and those of Wigan, Rochdale, Oldham, Leeds et al - tonight was sitting beside a KR fan! But since Skeletor Pete died (RIP) & John o' the big 'onds (soubriquet as we have too many Johns) took home his bat & ball, we get zero Salford fans and therein lies The Devils' biggest problem; Salford is rammed with Utd fans, few Salford RD fans. Unsustainable (though tragic).
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| [quote="Bent&Bongser":5e2xnjel]Thanks for the reply Mick. Bongser realises now that he muddied the water on the question by misusing the word quota whereby he meant cap. In this light, please reply again as your knowledge in this area is intriguing (and would make B seem "dead clever" when opining in The Egerton (Salford) tomorrow night!)[/quote:5e2xnjel]
On that basis I think new contracts would only make any difference if players were agreeing to take pay cuts.
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