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| Quote ="jpleigh"Declining is not all bad!
We need to contact the Revenue and offer to:
1. Agree to pay all future PAYE and NI payments on time
2. Offer to pay the arrears over a set time, if its £40k then a reasonable payment would be £1500 a month in addition to the actual sum due.
What we must not do is offer an amount that we cannot afford just to look good, it is better to pay £1000 per month and make 12 payments than £1500 and only make 8 payments.
Having negotiated payment schedules in a past life I would be prepared to do so again, presumably it is the Manchester office and I have always found them reasonable and sensible in the past.
I actually believe that the best way out of this mess is for 150 fans (or more) to put £1000 each into the club and take it over, removing anyone connected with getting us into this mess and the fans appointing their own Board of directors. All existing share owners would have to give their shares to the club and each £1k would entitle the person to 1 share. I am up for it and so will Frank be when I tell him. Anybode else???'"
Was this not what we were told was offered at the fans forum? Or something like it.
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| Sorry TV boy, I could not attend the forum, just saying it as I see it - in the mire but ive dealt with larger debt for clients and they still trade!
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| JPLeigh is correct.
Should the club need advice PM me or him and we will get the ball rolling.
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| Quote ="jpleigh"Sorry TV boy, I could not attend the forum, just saying it as I see it - in the mire but ive dealt with larger debt for clients and they still trade!'"
John, could you and Frank not get in touch with the club and offer your help in dealing with HMRC?
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| I don't recall any figures being mentioned at the meeting
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| Something tells me that the club are being taken to court for none payment of bills or wages. Maybe thats why Paul Rowlley has been allegedly suspended. When a court case like this comes up then HMRC will jump in without any leniency to recover their debt. Something has been going on at the club for it to be so quiet. I feel very sorry for the team who are working to try and rescue our club if this is how it is turning out.
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| Quote ="ian c"Don't think we have been told Tom.'"
sure we could check the tape but didnt TB say we owed 144k split roughly 50/50 between players and tax with other minor creditors some of whom had been paid or given up debt
TB said had propose to pay players/coach/staff % only and tax over next year guess that would make tax about £70k + what would become due when we paid wages owed
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| Quote ="Great King Rat"I agree. If the people of Leigh can't raise 40k in our hour of need it's a sad day.'"
Had 000's not already been donated in last 6 months or so I'd agree with that. But its off season, many have given and now more is needed. I don't know where this 40 grand originated from but as example 500fans giving another 80 quid each in this uncertain financial time approaching chrimbo is difficult to see.
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| Well I'll be perfectly honest. I'd rather Frank and John dealt with HMRC than the current Board.
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| I thought he said they owed 60K to the players.
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| Quote ="TV BOY"Something tells me that the club are being taken to court for none payment of bills or wages. Maybe thats why Paul Rowlley has been allegedly suspended. When a court case like this comes up then HMRC will jump in without any leniency to recover their debt. Something has been going on at the club for it to be so quiet. I feel very sorry for the team who are working to try and rescue our club if this is how it is turning out.'"
I feel sorry for those who've worked there nuts off raising funds for nothing and all those who have contributed and have now likely lost there money.
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| 12 months ago I walked to Widnes for this club, this season I ehlped frank with the bucket collection. Feel every so slightly let down if we wind up tbh.
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| Quote ="TV BOY"Something tells me that the club are being taken to court for none payment of bills or wages. Maybe thats why Paul Rowlley has been allegedly suspended. When a court case like this comes up then HMRC will jump in without any leniency to recover their debt. Something has been going on at the club for it to be so quiet. I feel very sorry for the team who are working to try and rescue our club if this is how it is turning out.'"
I do not know if that is right or wrong but players and staff are not preferential creditors so if the club goes into liquidation they would get nothing' our way they and HMRC (HMRC in their case all ) would get most of what they are owed.
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| Quote ="TV BOY"I thought he said they owed 60K to the players.'"
144 thou in debt with just over half owing to the players i think it was.
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| Quote ="Leeeigh Leeeigh"Had 000's not already been donated in last 6 months or so I'd agree with that. But its off season, many have given and now more is needed. I don't know where this 40 grand originated from but as example 500fans giving another 80 quid each in this uncertain financial time approaching chrimbo is difficult to see.'"
£40k is easy to raise, if thats all it is. LISA will raise that, or nearly that. So 40 fans loaning LISA a grand each and its covered within 18 months.
1000 season tickets on the £20 a month raises it in 2 months, pre season friendly v Wire/Wigan could raise it. etc
Someone once said if you never ask you never get, have we asked anyone yet?
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| Quote ="frankb"I do not know if that is right or wrong but players and staff are not preferential creditors so if the club goes into liquidation they would get nothing' our way they and HMRC (HMRC in their case all ) would get most of what they are owed.'"
Are the directors preferential creditors?.
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| This is now why there should be a co-ordinated bucket collection at the England vs Wales game at OUR place. This is our last chance saloon.
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| Quote ="TV BOY"This is now why there should be a co-ordinated bucket collection at the England vs Wales game at OUR place. This is our last chance saloon.'"
Why? By then we will either be swimming or motionless on the bottom.
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| Quote ="frankb"I do not know if that is right or wrong but players and staff are not preferential creditors so if the club goes into liquidation they would get nothing' our way they and HMRC (HMRC in their case all ) would get most of what they are owed.'"
But thats what starts the liquidation ball rolling and the Shylock that is HMRC jumps in first and usually is the major unfeeling factor for a club folding.
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| Quote ="maurice"Why? By then we will either be swimming or motionless on the bottom.'"
Because we need money.
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| I will be running the said collection... I need all the help I can get.
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| Quote ="DParky"I will be running the said collection... I need all the help I can get.'"
Good luck Dave, you wont find many willing to help. They will talk about it, even say they will but they wont turn up on the day.
We need to know how much is owed, to whom and when it needs paying by - then we can start sorting things out.
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| Quote ="j.c"Are the directors preferential creditors?.'" No.
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| Quote ="DParky"I will be running the said collection... I need all the help I can get.'"
Sorry Dave, but i won't even be at the game, as i am working.
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| Quote ="TV BOY"But thats what starts the liquidation ball rolling and the Shylock that is HMRC jumps in first and usually is the major unfeeling factor for a club folding.'"
think you will find liquidator gets paid first and that would be end of it. e/ees are protected i think as Freer said at the meeting
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