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| Quote ="hezza1969"But you currently don't have players good enough to play the style of rugby you played in the championship and cover for the mistakes that are made or forced by better teams.
At the moment you are a bottom 4 for a reason. The game against Leeds should have been a win for you but wasn't. Not because your side was not good enough to win but simply because too many mistakes being made by trying to play attractive rugby gifting Leeds the ball time and again. I would not say SL in mediocre, I would say it is tedious at times and as I have stated I like how Leigh try to bring some entertainment back to the game, however you are going to need far better players than you currently have.
I am not saying completely change your game but simply be more aware that mistakes will be made so play expansive rugby in the right areas. the percentage game at the right moments is a requirement if you want to keep the place you have earned.'"
Disagree on quality of players - we have recruited proven experienced players together with some younger recruits added to a number of top quality players we signed prior to the middle 8's last season. We are TWO games into the season hardly a time to be quoting bottom of the league. I am unaware who you support but very few teams will go and win at Cas and Friday's game speaks for itself, we simply should have won.
I have watched super league from Super league one and matches from 10 years ago were far and above more skilful and exciting compared to the current "arm wrestle".
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| Quote ="maurice"Huge positives from Hopkins and Acton, they took it in hard and troubled Leeds. Add Higham and Stewart to that team and we win with ease imo. So if all are fit it's Higham and Eloi at hooker, Stewart for Vea and two from Hock/Weston/Tickle. We do need a fit Riddy on the park to see if Derek needs to pull a 6 in.'"
Weston before Acton and Hopkins at the mo Mo, although Acton especially stood up on Friday (although you can still argue his discipline is at last chance saloon)
Maria and Green seemed ok from the 1st 2 games - can see quite a bit of rotation of the props early doors to keep them fresh and competing for places
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| Acton must play nobody gets us on the front foot like he does although he is being singled out by the officials, plenty elbows used by Leeds all game and nothing half a push and a binning, he will learn
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| Quote ="maurice"Huge positives from Hopkins and Acton, they took it in hard and troubled Leeds. Add Higham and Stewart to that team and we win with ease imo. So if all are fit it's Higham and Eloi at hooker, Stewart for Vea and two from Hock/Weston/Tickle. We do need a fit Riddy on the park to see if Derek needs to pull a 6 in.'"
Mo I wish it would be so easy to get a win,maybe Jukesy will read yer post and heed your advice, with Saints and Wigan up next we need some inspiration from somewhere. Maybe you in the centre circle before kick off with a rendition of GIGI.
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| Quote ="maurice"Acton must play nobody gets us on the front foot like he does although he is being singled out by the officials, plenty elbows used by Leeds all game and nothing half a push and a binning, he will learn'"
Agree Mo,Acton must play, despite him being victimized. Briscoe milked it, and Acton got binned. On the 3rd tackle prior to the binning,there were 3 players all over pelly like a rash and he couldn't get up, and nowt given.
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| Quote ="maurice"Huge positives from Hopkins and Acton, they took it in hard and troubled Leeds. Add Higham and Stewart to that team and we win with ease imo. So if all are fit it's Higham and Eloi at hooker, Stewart for Vea and two from Hock/Weston/Tickle. We do need a fit Riddy on the park to see if Derek needs to pull a 6 in.'"
Why would Derek need to pull a 6 in?
Is that not Jukes's job?
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| Quote ="Cokey"Agree Mo,Acton must play, despite him being victimized. Briscoe milked it, and Acton got binned. On the 3rd tackle prior to the binning,there were 3 players all over pelly like a rash and he couldn't get up, and nowt given.'"
Milked it or not you cannot seriously be trying to condone that, Dawson (I think) was lucky enough but what the hell was Acton even doing there - unless he's deaf he should have been getting back in the defensive line
Maria impressed me, and don't get me wrong, reckon Acton could get a regular place in the 17 and push on to a very high standard indeed - but if he's not careful he could also become nothing more than a decent championship player due to his failings. We got away with the 10 mins in Friday (some may argue it cost us the game), can't do that regularly at this level
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| Quote ="ColD"Milked it or not you cannot seriously be trying to condone that, Dawson (I think) was lucky enough but what the hell was Acton even doing there - unless he's deaf he should have been getting back in the defensive line
Maria impressed me, and don't get me wrong, reckon Acton could get a regular place in the 17 and push on to a very high standard indeed - but if he's not careful he could also become nothing more than a decent championship player due to his failings. We got away with the 10 mins in Friday (some may argue it cost us the game), can't do that regularly at this level'"
Dawson could claim he was committed and wasn't sure if Briscoe was over the line , Jamie was just daft as usual , he has to clean it up if he is to have a SL career
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| Quote ="ColD"Milked it or not you cannot seriously be trying to condone that, Dawson (I think) was lucky enough but what the hell was Acton even doing there - unless he's deaf he should have been getting back in the defensive line
Maria impressed me, and don't get me wrong, reckon Acton could get a regular place in the 17 and push on to a very high standard indeed - but if he's not careful he could also become nothing more than a decent championship player due to his failings. We got away with the 10 mins in Friday (some may argue it cost us the game), can't do that regularly at this level'"
No, i'm not condoning it,it was silly to even touch him i agree, However Mc Shane should've been binned the week before for a far worse incident(spear tackle),but he wasn't,and like iv'e already mentioned about the heavy push on Crooks into Higson which could've been serious,and nothing said about that.Mr Hicks kept telling Gallen to have a word with his players today, Why did he not give them a team warning? He gave us 2 in 20 minutes against Hull Kr.
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| Quote '" Quote ="Cokey"No, i'm not condoning it,it was silly to even touch him i agree, However Mc Shane should've been binned the week before for a far worse incident(spear tackle),but he wasn't,and like iv'e already mentioned about the heavy push on Crooks into Higson which could've been serious,and nothing said about that.Mr Hicks kept telling Gallen to have a word with his players today, Why did he not give them a team warning? He gave us 2 in 20 minutes against Hull Kr.'"
We've had Mr Hicks enough times to know what he is like , that game is over , on to Saints
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| Quote ="GUBRATS"We've had Mr Hicks enough times to know what he is like , that game is over , on to Saints'"
I know,i'm basically giving an example of inconsistency,That's all.
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| Quote ="Peter Kay"Why would Derek need to pull a 6 in?
Is that not Jukes's job?'"
When did coaches stump up cash for players, thought that was the owners job??????
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| Quote ="maurice"When did coaches stump up cash for players, thought that was the owners job??????'"
Isn't it up to the coaches to identify if he needs a new player or not?
Jukes is the qualified coach with playing experience as a professional.
Would he not go to the owner to then see if there is money in the budget to buy?
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| Quote ="Peter Kay"Isn't it up to the coaches to identify if he needs a new player or not?
Jukes is the qualified coach with playing experience as a professional.
Would he not go to the owner to then see if there is money in the budget to buy?'"
Wrong board for you isn't it Peter ?
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| Quote ="charlie caroli",you are a mine of information.Harold knows.'"
I hope you enjoyed The Marriot Charlie
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| Acton again let the club down.
Needlessly putting us under the cosh with 12 men is criminal. This is Super League where 9 games out of 10 that would punish and cost us. Why he did it I do not know.
Irrespective of what Acton did prior, it is what his team mates did for him covering him whilst he was sat on his backside in the bin, and aided by a bombed scoring chance later that got him off the hook big time.
Yes,the unfair criticism heaped on Vae only served to save the bacon for Acton.
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| How is Maria..He seemed to go down the tunnel holding his wrist.
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| Quote ="Peter Kay"Isn't it up to the coaches to identify if he needs a new player or not?
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Would he not go to the owner to then see if there is money in the budget to buy?'"
No joy here Peter..So you take it back to the Leeds board..Interesting.
I wonder who you really are?
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| Quote ="atomic"How is Maria..He seemed to go down the tunnel holding his wrist.'"
Out for 4 months
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| Quote ="Harold Rigby Jnr"I hope you enjoyed The Marriot Charlie
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It was very nice Harold,thanks for asking Charlie Jnr and his new wife Sarah, looked very nice, I've not worn a suit like that before,a bit pricey a Clown doesn't earn that much.Even Frank 1 wore a suit, well he said it was a suit. .
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| Pretty close game on Friday and quite competitive. I stated a couple of months back that you'd probably play well but struggle to get out of the bottom 4 which one of you didn't understand. This game is indicitive of what I meant.
Last season in SL we were similar, losing 7 games all season by 4 points or less (although some were a lot worse and drawing 2). Remember what happened to us? Entertaining yes, but you need to be on the other end of these marginal scores to survive. It's these games that you may regret come the end of the season, not the blow outs.
Still......early days yet.
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| Quote ="Peter Kay"Isn't it up to the coaches to identify if he needs a new player or not?
Jukes is the qualified coach with playing experience as a professional.
Would he not go to the owner to then see if there is money in the budget to buy?'"
Some clubs leave that to director of Rugby I understand, although a good club should have great dialogue between all key parties in the selection process, I don't believe a player gets approached directly unless it's niagra related. I do believe agents let owners know about availability and they would ultimately make the final call based on commercial reality, especially so if the coach had failed miserably the previous year unlike our current coach.
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| A bit hasty to suggest we need a clear out This is a new squad which was assembled for the Super League!
We have only played two games and the P45s are out! Each game will be a learning curve which the first two games have proved! The game against Leeds was a marked improvement from the Cas game indeed, we should have beaten Leeds and that statement in its self, is encouraging! We made five changes from the Cas game which indicated the Coaches are still formulating their best side, the supporters should not be expecting too much too soon.
We all have our opinions and, quite rightly so however, lets show DB and the coaches we appreciate the time, effort and expense gone into assembling this squad to represent our club in Super League, it is a vastly more talented squad than the 2005 team so lets not talk of getting rid of players, don't forget, players like Vea, Pellisier et al have only played twice and have yet to play under the leadership of Captain Micky Higham.
We are suffering with injuries at the moment, (some quite serious, long term), every team gets those but I think we've pinched someone else's share!!
There are many positives from the first two games, the players now know what is required of them and, they can go about putting those requirements in place
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| Quote ="maurice"Some clubs leave that to director of Rugby I understand, although a good club should have great dialogue between all key parties in the selection process, I don't believe a player gets approached directly unless it's niagra related. I do believe agents let owners know about availability and they would ultimately make the final call based on commercial reality, especially so if the coach had failed miserably the previous year unlike our current coach.'"
Soz Mo.
Was just raising question that's all.
IMO I would have though Jukes would make the decision on new players if he needs them. A great coach like Jukes will get the best out of what he's got.
Keeep the faith in the Juke
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| We had to assemble a SL squad to take us up on multiple year contracts and then recruit what was available to keep us up, should we get in the T8 then the squad will evolve and improve as we establish as a SL club. I believe Jukesy and Derek work well together and respect each other.
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