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| Quote ="Walt Mooney Fan Club"No one could ever accuse you of being racist for voting....it is your right in a democracy. However, if you vote for a racist party, people are entitled to opine your reasons for doing it.
In my opinion people who vote BNP fall into two categories - racist, or stupid....or both!!'"
Is everyone who votes Labour either stupid or a commie?
Is everyone who votes Tory either stupid or a facist?
If BNP hits the headlines and gets British people talking about British issues without fear of being labelled racist (whatever that means nowadays), then they have suceeded in my opinion.
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| Quote ="soldiers field"they do get tokens for the period until their immigration status is decided. if they are allowed leave to remain in the uk then they can claim benefits like anybody else.
we should adopt the aussie approach were you need either a job or savings to financially support yourself before they are allowed to go to australia.'"
The best one that the aussies did was the time there was a ship load of asylum seekers 150 miles off the sydney coast heading for Australia, they were told in no uncertain terms that if they come within 100 miles of the coast the ship will be sunk.
People coming here to work wouldn't bother me if they were putting something back into the econemy the thing that gets on my nerves are the asylum seekers who have to travel through country after country to get too these shores why can't they claim asylum in say France or Germany? It's easy no country wants to take them in and keep sending them on there way untill they reach our shores.
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| Quote ="Kelly's Eye" Fact is we all have less rights than those who see the UK as a new home'"
That's not a fact, that's ignorant twaddle. I'm not even quoting the rest of your nasty, stupid post.
Oh, and JUST because you SAY IT IN CAPITALS that doesn't stop you TALKING NONESENSE.
Funny that you complain that democracy is fading away, then tell us that you haven't voted for years and don't intend to do so. Stupid, stupid man.
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| Quote ="Wembley71"That's not a fact, that's ignorant twaddle. I'm not even quoting the rest of your nasty, stupid post.
Oh, and JUST because you SAY IT IN CAPITALS that doesn't stop you TALKING NONESENSE.
Funny that you complain that democracy is fading away, then tell us that you haven't voted for years and don't intend to do so. Stupid, stupid man.'"
Go and ask all those genuine unemployed lads who work on building sites who has the most rights, go and ask people who have genuine disability who has the most rights, go and ask those who have elderly relatives who has the most rights and they will all tell you it isnt them.
Go down the post office and see who is getting what, go into any bookmakers and see who is pumping the hundreds even thousands of pounds in to those stupid roulette machines.
You call me stupid?
Perhaps I am, for after all I cant go to another country and get a free ride courtesy of its resident natives like these lot can.
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| People are frustrated with the narrow centralisation of politics and, as we seem to have been lead by the hand, dancing and singing into financial oblivion by ALL powerbrokers the BNP will start to land their message with some people. Extreme views made more palatable in dire circumstances.
I was shocked to be handed a BNP leaflet in a quiet pub on Thursday night.
A quick read of the garbage would have you believe they are a credible party.
And they couldn't be clearer - they're not racists. Yeh, right.
Just like the tories are the real people's party and the party of the environment.
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| Whether folk like it or not, the hassle an ordinary working man who has fallen on lean times has getting benefits is criminal in comparison to those who have just jumped out of a wagon.
If anyone doubts it, just ask any brickie, joiner, plumber etc who's not worked for the last few months.
If you got made redundant today you would be lucky to see anything for months.
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| Quote ="DParky"www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/'"
More holes than the Salford Reds defensive line!!
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| how many H G V drivers have lost there jobs to the poles because they will run with 2 cards ?
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| Quote ="DParky"www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/newsarticles/immandasylumstats'"
That article says to me we've bled this country dry lets find another. Is it a coincidence that aplications started to fall when the UK economy went into meltdown?
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| Quote ="TV BOY"Let me say this everyone. My brother who lives in Leigh has a wife who is crippled with MS. He is working himself the a standstill. He looks like the world is resting on his shoulders. He has tried to get help from Wigan Health Authority, the councill and the government but has met brick walls at every turning. The worst part of all this is that his wife has been treated apallingly by the local health authority. My mum is worried to death about them.
Down the road a familly from some other country has moved in and has been given a house, car, clothes, furniture, health care, a damn site more help than my brother and his wife have and they have paid taxes all their lives.
Another story is a pensioner who fought in the war cant get enough from the government/council to put food on the table or keep his house warm in winter.
My point is. Untill those idiots in that pompous building that is supposed the be the centre of our controlling party gets their s into gear and forget all about having their ugly faces on the TV, then the BNP will pick up support in towns like our's. Maybe not from my brother because we were brought up not really knowing racism. I cant get my head round why people hate other people for the colour of their skin or the way they look. Its the way we were taught.
I dont think all of the people who support the BNP are out and out racists. In fact I think there are probably more in the house of lords and the commons.
My last word is, how can the BNP march get banned and yet a group of protesters calling British soldiers returning home, "murderers",
be allowed.
We do live in a democracy, dont we?'"
very well put if the muslims in Luton could demonstrate why not these B.N. P marchers. We live in a democracy only for some people if your born and bred in Britain it doesnt include you
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| Isn't it British job agencies that bring Polish workers in for example. Some even rent out property to these people, so they get double income. The British companies employ them, the British agencies supply them, the British consumer buys their goods because they are cheaper.
You get what you pay for, someone that can't speak English, has no money, home, or experience in this country....as jimmy Carr (the comedian) says about people that can't compete with them, "How stupid are you?" tongue in cheek joke but there is some truth in it.
As pointed out further back with amount of cheap labour in holiday resorts in Europe taken up by Brits taking local jobs. We can't have it both ways.
Asylum seekers are part and parcel of todays world because of how much trouble (wars and tyranny) and poverty is around the world. We as a wealthy nation have an obligation (just like rest of western nations) to provide safe haven for genuine people that suffer. Problem is trying to sieve through to find genuine ones.
BNP simplify things without any meat on the bones. What do you do with someone that is in this country and has no paperwork, and his/her country won't take them back ?
It costs a fortune to keep a criminal in jail. So how does BNP sieve through genuine asylum seekers and keep costs down. You have to keep tabs on them - costs money. You have to provide for them or they will steal to live - costs money.
ps mutt, please provide a link for the Aussies that was going to sink a boat full of unarmed innocent people. I just can't see that. Can you ? ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| im thinking of voting bnp next time and i dont consider my self a racist i will admit idont agree with everything they stand for but then again i dont agree with everything lab stand for, but when you see things like what happened in luton the other day and this gov do nowt about it then people will start to stand up for themselves and take matters into their own hands right or wrong, i must admit when i saw what was happening in luton i wanted to go down there and confront these people and there is probably many thousands like me all i can say is if they dont like it GET OUT THIS COUNTRY
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| Quote ="peawapp"very well put if the muslims in Luton could demonstrate why not these B.N. P marchers. We live in a democracy only for some people if your born and bred in Britain it doesnt include you'"
Some born and Bred cockneys, Welsh, and Irish etc where refused a victory parade earlier this year in Manchester for Utd .......because of what happened a few weeks earlier by Rangers fans. Cost council and tax payer a fortune, so wouldn't do it again.
BNP have history - It would cost us money (tax payers) to prevent trouble happening. Whatever your views on them, they have a stigma attached to them that incites hatred and anger (that can lead to violence).
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| I've lived and work in germany.
I've lived and worked in the USA.
At my last company we had...
several Chinese, a Vietnamese, a New Zealander, several Indians, a Turkish, a Sri Lankan, a Korean, an Ethiopian, a South African, a Nigerian, one feller moved to Australia and worked for us from there, the one MD was a Greek, the CEO was born in Bermuda, at least 2 Swedes, and a couple of French blokes...oh, and we had a few Brits too.
The fact is, its a global economy now...and its brutal because there is always someone, somewhere prepared to under cut you, as well as it being enriching (in both senses)
There are winners and losers, most folks work hard and a few take the p***. You either embrace it and prosper, or you don't and end up marginalised and unable to compete.
All this "Leigh jobs for Leigh people" or wherever you happen to be from is just BS.
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| Quote ="Leeeigh Leeeigh"Some born and Bred cockneys, Welsh, and Irish etc where refused a victory parade earlier this year in Manchester for Utd .......because of what happened a few weeks earlier by Rangers fans. Cost council and tax payer a fortune, so wouldn't do it again.
BNP have history - It would cost us money (tax payers) to prevent trouble happening. Whatever your views on them, they have a stigma attached to them that incites hatred and anger (that can lead to violence).'"
And all the immigrants cost us nowt do they?
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| Quote ="Leeeigh Leeeigh"Some born and Bred cockneys, Welsh, and Irish etc where refused a victory parade earlier this year in Manchester for Utd .......because of what happened a few weeks earlier by Rangers fans. Cost council and tax payer a fortune, so wouldn't do it again.
BNP have history - It would cost us money (tax payers) to prevent trouble happening. Whatever your views on them, they have a stigma attached to them that incites hatred and anger (that can lead to violence).'"
agree with you but what angers me is that the luton muslim demonstrators were breaking the incitement laws by the slogans that were on their banners.
they should not have been allowed to demonstrate in that fashion.
marches and demonstrations are an essentail ingrediant of any democracy as long as they are lawful
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| Quote ="Paul_Lyon"The fact is, its a global economy now...and its brutal because there is always someone, somewhere prepared to under cut you, as well as it being enriching (in both senses)
There are winners and losers, most folks work hard and a few take the p***. You either embrace it and prosper, or you don't and end up marginalised and unable to compete.
All this "Leigh jobs for Leigh people" or wherever you happen to be from is just BS.'"
Great post
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| Quote ="Leeeigh Leeeigh"Isn't it British job agencies that bring Polish workers in for example. Some even rent out property to these people, so they get double income. The British companies employ them, the British agencies supply them, the British consumer buys their goods because they are cheaper.
You get what you pay for, someone that can't speak English, has no money, home, or experience in this country....as jimmy Carr (the comedian) says about people that can't compete with them, "How stupid are you?" tongue in cheek joke but there is some truth in it.
As pointed out further back with amount of cheap labour in holiday resorts in Europe taken up by Brits taking local jobs. We can't have it both ways.
Asylum seekers are part and parcel of todays world because of how much trouble (wars and tyranny) and poverty is around the world. We as a wealthy nation have an obligation (just like rest of western nations) to provide safe haven for genuine people that suffer. Problem is trying to sieve through to find genuine ones.
BNP simplify things without any meat on the bones. What do you do with someone that is in this country and has no paperwork, and his/her country won't take them back ?
It costs a fortune to keep a criminal in jail. So how does BNP sieve through genuine asylum seekers and keep costs down. You have to keep tabs on them - costs money. You have to provide for them or they will steal to live - costs money.
ps mutt, please provide a link for the Aussies that was going to sink a boat full of unarmed innocent people. I just can't see that. Can you ?
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After a quick look on the net it appears there was a boat that sunk 2001 with 350 asylum seekers onboard, it happend duing the big crackdown on illigal imigrants and since it has been claimed that the australian navy were responseble for the sinking.
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| Quote ="Paul_Lyon"I've lived and work in germany.
I've lived and worked in the USA.
At my last company we had...
several Chinese, a Vietnamese, a New Zealander, several Indians, a Turkish, a Sri Lankan, a Korean, an Ethiopian, a South African, a Nigerian, one feller moved to Australia and worked for us from there, the one MD was a Greek, the CEO was born in Bermuda, at least 2 Swedes, and a couple of French blokes...oh, and we had a few Brits too.
The fact is, its a global economy now...and its brutal because there is always someone, somewhere prepared to under cut you, as well as it being enriching (in both senses)
There are winners and losers, most folks work hard and a few take the p***. You either embrace it and prosper, or you don't and end up marginalised and unable to compete.
All this "Leigh jobs for Leigh people" or wherever you happen to be from is just BS.'"
I have no problem with anybody of any creed or colour if they get there out of bed and go to work, pay the tax and NI like the rest of us and are genuine.
But it really galls me when you see some of this lot draw £600 a week from the Post office in benefits and walk straight in to the nearest bookmakers and shove it all in the machines, then go out on the rob all week cos they have got no brass, Perhaps do a spot of fishing and remove several hundreds of pounds worth of expensive course fish for their dinner table or as happened last week, not answer when the baliffs turn up and then get all their mates to strip the house bare that they are renting and move all the gear into one of the neighbours who just happen to be part of the clan and sell anything else they managed to get out for whatever they can get for it.
Best bit is........................they all stroll around in designer gear!!
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| Quote ="Kelly's Eye"And all the immigrants cost us nowt do they?'"
Of course some do, just like true Brits do. Just like true Brits, there are also mostly genuine people who want to make a go of it and are contributing.
Pointing out problems is great - its offering solutions that is hardest part. BNP don't do that. They tell you what some people want to hear, and it strikes a chord with ones that are suffering from current economic climate. People seem to need something/someone to blame - its human nature. BNP provide this and gain support from it - even given their background.
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| Picture the scene....
Tesco build a big supermarket in the town and in this wonderful multinational multicultural utopia in which we apparently live, decide to employ 500 migrants rather than folk from the local population.
Anyone who thinks that is acceptable needs to have a proper good look at themselves.
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| Quote ="Alexs Dad"Picture the scene....
Tesco build a big supermarket in the town and in this wonderful multinational multicultural utopia in which we apparently live, decide to employ 500 migrants rather than folk from the local population.
Anyone who thinks that is acceptable needs to have a proper good look at themselves.'"
Now this is exactly the type of story the BNP put on their leaflets.
I haven,t noticed anything like that however in any Supermarket I have ever shopped in.
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| In honesty Frank it was meant as a response to the thought that 'Leigh jobs for Leigh people' was nonsense.
However, you go into many factories and building sites up and down the country, and it is what you will see and nobody should make any apologies for pointing it out, nomatter how politically sensitive it may be.
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